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deesh
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| freaky wrote: |
| deesh wrote: |
I guess since I am from the USA, I shouldn't travel then, huh?  
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Sorry Deesh, think you got me wrong there.
Jan was troubled about flying/gig in the sky.
And i just wanted to say, a lot of us flew in for some jami gigs so why would it be "bad" now?
And to say it more clear, next time they play some gig in london be there PLEASE! |
It's cool Nat - that's why I put the wink. I know what you mean. I was just being a smartass
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MissyM
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 03:17 |
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| Samiroquai wrote: |
Anyone who's worried can pay Climate Care to have plane flights 'carbon offsetted'. Basically you pay a surprisingly small amount, and the organisation goes about planting trees and funding sustainable energy to make your flight carbon neutral. Really, more people should be aware of this. I'd like to see airlines making it an optional part of the ticket, and some of them are now doing so, but an office at major airports for this organisation wouldn't go amiss either.
Information at http://www.wanderlust.co.uk/offset/
And by the way, 'strict' climate laws in the EU don't include this already, so you should still do it whether you FEEL guilty or not...
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Thanx Deesha for leading me to this thread!.. Yes this docomovie is a must see.
That is a great comment Sam.... They are doing that here too in Australia which we really need it as it is very very dry due to climate change and our water supplies are reducing rapidly we are in a very bad drought at the moment. I am not saying just planting trees is the answer to all our carbon emission problems but trees really help mop up carbon as they love it..
Plants and animals have a symbiotic relationship, we exist only from each others waste products.. Our waste is carbon their waste is oxygen. It is very alarming at the rate they are lopping down the world's rainforests they are vastly reducing the amount of oxygen production for the world's environment.. This will absolutely have a devestating affect on our climate..
I read that overall, tropical rainforest cover only about 6 percent of earth's surface, but they harbour more than half of its animal life and about two thirds of it flowering plants...So it's not just the climate that they are ruining... Its very sad to see it being torn down by money hungry developers and industry. So I agree we should all start planting more trees and try to help mop up the carbon..
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deesh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 18:50 |
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| MissyM wrote: |
I read that overall, tropical rainforest cover only about 6 percent of earth's surface, but they harbour more than half of its animal life and about two thirds of it flowering plants...So it's not just the climate that they are ruining... Its very sad to see it being torn down by money hungry developers and industry. So I agree we should all start planting more trees and try to help mop up the carbon.. |
I saw a special documentary on this that was on my favorite channel (the Travel Channel) and it was really interesting. I don't know much about environmental rights or animal rights, so it's cool to watch these programs and learn.
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 23:36 |
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| MissyM wrote: |
| I am not saying just planting trees is the answer to all our carbon emission problems but trees really help mop up carbon as they love it.. |
Absolutely. Just planting trees won't start to reverse things nearly quickly enough, because they don't mature overnight! Climate Care put money into research and into other methods of cutting carbon down as well, to take this into account, so they give a long- and short-term benefit... if everyone would use them!
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 20:06 |
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I thought this was interesting...didn't see this angle coming -
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04/16/news/nation/15_41_004_15_07.txt
"Top ex-military leaders call global warming major security risk"
By: SETH BORENSTEIN - AP Science Writer
WASHINGTON -- Global warming poses a "serious threat to America's national security" with terrorism worsening and the U.S. will likely be dragged into fights over water and other shortages, top retired military leaders warn in a new report.
Joining calls already made by scientists and environmental activists, the retired U.S. military leaders, including the former Army chief of staff and President Bush's former chief Middle East peace negotiator, called on the U.S. government to make major cuts in emissions of gases that cause global warming.
The report warned that in the next 30 to 40 years there will be wars over water, increased hunger instability from worsening disease and rising sea levels and global warming-induced refugees. "The chaos that results can be an incubator of civil strife, genocide and the growth of terrorism," the 35-page report predicted.
"Climate change exacerbates already unstable situations," former U.S. Army chief of staff Gordon Sullivan told Associated Press Radio. "Everybody needs to start paying attention to what's going on. I don't think this is a particularly hard sell in the Pentagon. ... We're paying attention to what those security implications are."
Gen. Anthony "Tony" Zinni, Bush's former Middle East envoy, said in the report: "It's not hard to make the connection between climate change and instability, or climate change and terrorism."
The report was issued by the Alexandria, Va.-based, national security think-tank The CNA Corporation and was written by six retired admirals and five retired generals. They warned of a future of rampant disease, water shortages and flooding that will make already dicey areas -- such as the Middle East, Asia and Africa -- even worse.
"Weakened and failing governments, with an already thin margin for survival, foster the conditions for internal conflicts, extremism and movement toward increased authoritarianism and radical ideologies," the report said. "The U.S. will be drawn more frequently into these situations."
In a veiled reference to Bush's refusal to join an international treaty to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the report said the U.S. government "must become a more constructive partner" with other nations to fight global warming and cope with its consequences.
The Bush administration has declined mandatory emission cuts in favor of voluntary methods. Other nations have committed to required reductions that kick in within a few years.
"We will pay for this one way or another," wrote Zinni, former commander of U.S. Central Command. "We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we'll have to take an economic hit of some kind. Or we will pay the price later in military terms. And that will involve human lives. There will be a human toll."
Top climate scientists said the report makes sense and increased national security risk is a legitimate global warming side-effect.
The report is "pretty impressive," but may be too alarmist because it may take longer than 30 years for some of these things to happen, said Stanford scientist Terry Root, a co-author of this month's international scientific report on the effects of global warming on life on Earth.
But the instability will happen sometime, Root agreed.
"We're going to have a war over water," Root said. "There's just not going to be enough water around for us to have for us to need to live with and to provide for the natural environment."
University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver said the military officers were smart to highlight the issue of refugees who flee unstable areas because of global warming.
"There will be tens of millions of people migrating, where are we going to put them?" Weaver said.
Weaver said that over the past years, scientists, who by nature are cautious, have been attacked by conservative activists when warning about climate change. This shows that it's not a liberal-conservative issue, Weaver said.
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MissyM
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that is quite scarey info deesh!!.. I heard someone talking about this a few years ago at a party or bbq and I kind of dismissed it.. thinking wars over water.. ya think??. But now i think very likely..
something like only 3% of the planet's water is drinkable.. that is scarey enuf but to think that this may decrease is terrible.. We have a desalination plant here and there is talk of them building a second one.. but that is a catch 22 because it creates a lot of green house emissions so it isn't the answer to our problems..
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 03:19 |
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we have only one world and now this news happen...shit 
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