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Pepela
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Cosmic Bear, wow....so much information! Thank u!!!
Well, I'm not an expert in electronic terms..soooo no, I wpn't be sitting too close for it and about HD source I'm not so sure....actually the main that I'll be watching are Hotbird digital tv, analogue and DVDs. HDTV isn't widely spread in Russia at the moment.... |
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Maxud
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:07 |
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hello
so you use satellite tv???
dont forget that you need a hd-settopbox to watch hd-channels.
and as fas as i know theres only one hd encrypted channel on this satellite (i think its an italian channel)
blu ray dvd player and so on are still too expensive and i think in russia there are still not much movies in russian that where made for blu ray disk (i dont know that). i think you wont get much russian channels on other satellites in the future that will be hd clear. on astra there are now some big german clear channels in hd-tv. ive asked some tv-channels when they will broadcast in hd-tv they said maybe 2008...
ah and dont forget!
for the hd-standart you need an 5.1 surroundsystem.
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:11 |
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i've just read on the internet last night that sony is going to release the 3000-range this summer. and those will feature the 1080p/24fps support. guess, i have to wait a little bit longer before i buy  |
It will be a best buy for sure! Maybe a bit more expensive...let's see what the other competitors launch (Samsung for example), the scenario evolves a lot but yeah, I don't regret to have bought my 2000 (after a fine calibration).
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dont forget that you need a hd-settopbox to watch hd-channels.
and as fas as i know theres only one hd encrypted channel on this satellite (i think its an italian channel) |
There are many HD channels, in Italy we have 4 channels provided by Sky and in Uk there are more. Even in Germany I think Premiere launched a HD service, there's the Euro1080 tv too. HD Channels are popping up across the whole Europe. Even if we had devices to record the broadcasts (and some HTPC could do it) some are HDCP protected so no way to record it, at least 'till now.
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peggy
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 13:46 |
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Plasma do have a higher powe consumption and they will go out of sales in a few years. As well, they get burned up earlier. But, it's true you have a better image on big screens.
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Gonza-Arg
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 15:36 |
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My advivce:
WAIT
New technologies for LCD tvs are being devoleped by DNP (a japanese enterprise) for Sharp.
the most exciting one is the developmet of a 5 primary color filter.
Nowadays every tv has a range of 3 primary colors (RGB). Those little red green and blue dots you see on yor tv.
TVs mix those 3 colors to recreate the max. amount of colors possible.
But it's not enopugh to recreate real life colors (the ones we see all the time, light reflections).
I'll explain this graphically.
This is the range we see naturally every day in our life:
(of course it's not like what we see cause your screen can recreate all real colors)
And this is the amount of color that nowadays tv's can recreate of all the previous colors (this is the mixing of R+G+B - like the tv):
Adding 2 other colors (sutractive primary colors YELLOW and CYAN) to the range, will make the color gramut increase dramatically. So the color range is expanded, now is bigger, and let's the tv recreate real colors almost perfect.
New tv's will have those RGB little dots + a new Yellow (Y) dot, and a new Cyan (C) dot, being now RGBYC tv's.
You can see how hard is for RGB tvs represent colors like GOLD, PURPLE, or even YELLOW (this is very common with the colors of fire)
So this new tvs offer more realistic colors than ever before.
I read that this technology will be aplied to lcd tvs, offering 4 primary colors based LCDs (RGB+Y filter) for lower prices (this ones increase NTSC colors form 75% to 95%), and 5 primary color based LCDs (RGB+CY filter) at higher prices (wich increase up to 100% NTSC).
This filters also increase brightness up to 35%.
I could find more info on the internet. Shurely other brands are trying this technologies. So (maybe) waiting could be the best option.
If this tvs are released, prices of normal lcds and plasmas will fall a lot.
I hope this helps.
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 15:52 |
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Gonza thanks for your detailed explaining but...everyday there's somebody claiming to have discovered something amazing. When will those displays be available on the market? And how much high will be the price?
Another great hype is around SED displays but the first models are expected to surface on the market in some years.
What I mean is..you can't wait forever, there will always been something better ready to get launched. TVs now are no more the good old great looking CRT TV that still has the best performance under the 32" format but it's too big and weights too much...you just have to choose the best model available right now.
TVs are like Computers today, they get old in a while 
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DiscoStu
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 17:08 |
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FunkyDonkey has just said everything I was about to say myself. My uncle used to say "I'll buy a new computer once they stop developing". I guess he would have died before buying one, so we just convinced him to buy one and update it now and then.
Sure, you could wait for RGBCY technology, but it's still under development and that means we don't know when will it be available and/or how effective will it be in the beginning. Plus such technology may imply restructuring everything regarding video technology, from regular videocameras to specialized video software. Everything up to that point will be rendered absolutely obsolete.
My suggestion, in contrast with Gonza-Arg's, is don't wait for new developments. Get a good set now, if there are any new advances in video technology, like in the RGBWTF system we're discussing, where almost everything will have to be redesigned, you'll know when to change your set again.
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Gonza-Arg
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 03:52 |
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 "RGBWTF"
if you want to buy a tv NOW the best option would be to buy one, acording to what are you going to use them for, cause nobody wants to have channels logos on their screen. And about dead pixels... it's not very frecuent if you use it for movies and things like that AFAIK.
As Bear said, think acording to what kind of signal are you going to conect to the tv. The refresh rate is very important too.
a little offtopic:
Here in my country thay're selling Plasmas and LCDs a lot, almost all of them are VGA, or aren't HDTV ready, but people falls in sellers trap very easy. They end using it with our local tv signal or directv (which has crappy quality too, the only advantage is that all the channels look good, with no interference, nothing more), or using the PS2 with it. |
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CosmicBear
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 09:21 |
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the problem with making the selection based on your tv signal is that digital does not equal digital.
here in the uk, the tv stations claim to be broadcasting in digital, which is only half true. pretty much everywhere in the uk they still broadcast an analogue signal which looks completely crap and it's only converted to a digital signal my your freeview (or whatever you choose) box. the exception is sky digital and sky HD. but to get that, they force you to buy their settop box for £300 and pay a monthly fee that - depending on your choice of channels - adds up to £40 - £50 a month. the free channels will slowly switch from analogue to digital but it will take another 5 years to complete that step (with london being the last area to go completely digital!)
in general, select your tv by the medium you enjoy the most (dvd, games, hd, ...) and try to find one that can handle the tv stuff somewhat decent.
about those new developments:
a. you don't know when they will be out on the market
b. they will be extremely expensive
c. you will be the beta tester for the companies for free
and there is no sense in waiting (unless you KNOW that a feature is coming that you really want), because no matter if you buy today or in six month - by the time you have your thing at home and unwrapped, it will be out of date anyway... |
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DiscoStu
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 18:10 |
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Cable companies over here claim to be delivering a digital signal as well. My father fell for it, and keeps insisting we have digital television now. I still can't convince him that it's a lie, and if they were broadcasting a digital signal we wouldn't be able to see it because our set doesn't even have the circuitry to decode digital signals. Whatever, I think I'm a bit off-topic here.
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Pepela
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 07:14 |
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By the way, will Apple Tv work with plasma or lcd? |
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 07:34 |
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| Pepela wrote: |
| By the way, will Apple Tv work with plasma or lcd? |
It doesn't matter, the only requirement is a HDMI or a DVI port, just make sure that the model you would choose has it. It's an almost "must have" to receive HD signals and, just a tip: make sure this port has HDCP support too, a quite mandatory requirement.
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CosmicBear
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 08:41 |
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| FunkyDonkey wrote: |
| Pepela wrote: |
| By the way, will Apple Tv work with plasma or lcd? |
It doesn't matter, the only requirement is a HDMI or a DVI port, just make sure that the model you would choose has it. It's an almost "must have" to receive HD signals and, just a tip: make sure this port has HDCP support too, a quite mandatory requirement. |
or to make it easier for you: check for a sticker saying "HD ready"
in order to get this sticker a tv has to support all those things you mentioned |
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 09:04 |
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or to make it easier for you: check for a sticker saying "HD ready" |
Oops  right Bear, I always forgot it, I hate this logo becuse it doens't state support for 1080p, it's enough to have:
* 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive scan (“720p”), and
* 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced  (“1080i”)
...but it's okay, good recommendation!
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CosmicBear
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 15:18 |
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Oops right Bear, I always forgot it, I hate this logo becuse it doens't state support for 1080p, it's enough to have:
* 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive scan (“720p”), and
* 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”) |
i know exactly what you mean and i find it rather confusing myself. the industry does start to use a unique branding for 'hd ready' and 'true hd', which is silver for ready and gold for true. but it's nothing official so you can't really count on it. plus, true hd doesn't mean 1080p per se as some panels (panasonic, toshiba) state that they display 1080p, but they "forget" to mention that the highest signal the panel can run is actually 1080i and it only gets upscaled to 1080p. so even though it is a 1080p picture, it is not true hd.
this is sooooooo confusing!!! |
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