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mr.az
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there's still monachys? 
wtf? 
what's next?
another law to let the king say all the shit they want??????? 
monarchy on the 21 century...when we gonna learn?  
and yeah, franco put him on the power...a fascist who put another one, and don't forget aznar support the irak war, so he's a motherfucker-better, a son of bitch-'cause he support war and millions of people are dead now in part because aznar...aznar, bush and blair, what a bunch of motherfuckers
gimme a breaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¿
about excitmenet when new stuff is coming-that must be the main theme-i feel like im going into a whole new experience everytime when a album is released  , that's a real new feeling when the songs came out and you can listen'em at first time...wow
a real great crazy high time  
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mr.az
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 07:48 |
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| ophone wrote: |
| Simply calling people fascist because they are politically on the right side is not very decent. He could've said that Juan Carlos' spiritual father was a fascist, who was actually Franco, former dictator of Spain, but not Aznar, who is simply a member of the moderate right-wing Popular Party.) |
aznar support with bush and blair the war on irak and afghanistan, millions of people are dead or with diseases...if drop bombs over innocent people is not a fascist act...well, aren't you high when u drop this lines man?
didn't you know that the right side is always fascist everywhere?
ok, let me show you clear, all the both sides suxs 
but the right-wing are always the fascist ones, the capitalists pigs who want all the power to them, the left-wing are-at least they were in the past-the exactly opposite, the ones who want better money distribution and less poverty...but as i can see, in many countries the both sides-yeah, im including my own country-are now ruled by the money and the capitalists pigs
...so adam smith was the first capitalis pig, 'cause no one reject his theory when there's alot more...well, the nash one is great
check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
there's something better than that shitty adam smith
and more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium
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A Nash equilibrium, named after John Nash, is a set of strategies, one for each player, such that no player has incentive to unilaterally change her action. Players are in equilibrium if a change in strategies by any one of them would lead that player to earn less than if she remained with her current strategy. For games in which players randomize (mixed strategies), the expected or average payoff must be at least as large as that obtainable by any other strategy.
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that's mean equality on the payoff
not more richest-like the kings-and poverty like right now
i mean, money on every side, no one side richer than the other
oh, i forgot
the king live with the money of the taxes...in that way everybody can be a ''king'' if u live with the money of the taxes u'll eventually become rich, and all the people will pay eventually...oh yeah
what a great thing, the monarchy
that reminds me, we're on democracy?
'cause a king on a ibero-american democratic meeting means that still we are on the 15 century...we're still slaves and the king rules like he's the owners of us
(can't be more sarcastic, don't ya think? )
gimme a breaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak
if u think democracy can run with kings, and aznar is not a fascist when he support a war based on lies and who every day kill more and more innocent people on irak and afghanistan, you must watch yourself, ok?
the world need a change, more than ever
a ideas change, and then we can change all the other shit we still run...
looks like many forget the song when you gonna learn and virtual insanity...and even revolution 1993...they are deepest...but if no one listen the message, we're damned anyways...
bye
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 14:11 |
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haha another communist post Az! lovely!!
Aznar, bush.. capitalists... imperialists.... the same Chavez speech... blah blah
and yes brother ophone... that's why we don't like the Chavez idiot here.. most of the country hate him to death... but he's cheating us and he's still up there...! that's the way dictators and communists can stay so long at power! we all know it!!
and Noe (sorry i wrote Dyego dunno why haha), yeh, Los Amigos Invisibles are the shit! i really love them! i saw them here when they played with Jamiroquai, and they're really incredible! they have been the same guys all the life of the group... and it's just amazing!
and about that program, its conducted or guided or whatever its said, by Luis Chataing... another Venezuelan! haha
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Cosmic Noe
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 19:20 |
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I'm not Dyego, but I am the one who sent the message about "Amigos..." Unfortunately, we don't have Sony in our cable system anymore (blame HBO) but yes, I knew about Chataing. He's very clever and has something else....sex appeal. I hope "Amigos..." start to tour around Latin America 'cos, if they come to Argentina, I'll definitely go to see them.
Kiss to all
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 00:33 |
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yes, they're nice!
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ophone
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 05:09 |
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Well mr.az, I live in a monarchy and yes, it's a democracy too.
Our political parties (from the strongest to the weakest) in parliament (60 seats) are:
-CSV, Chrëschtlech Sozial Vollékspartei (christian social party of the people, traditional catholic right wing)
-LSAP, Lëtzebuerger Sozialistesch Aarbechterpartei (Luxembourgish socialist worker's party, socialists moderate left wing)
-DP, Demokratesch Partei (democratic party, liberal centre)
-Déi Gréng (The Greens, ecological moderate left wing)
-ADR (Alternativ Demokratesch Reformpartei, alternative democratic reforms party, even more right wing than the CSV, but without the catholic touch)
[Yes, there are even communists in the country, but because they split up into 2 different parties, they didn't manage to get a seat at the parliament, something they used to have]
mr.az I must say that you are blinded by socialist-communist speech. Socialists and communists are the same as all the others, maybe even worse. As soon as they are in power, they want to keep the power, because it's money they're all after.
Best example are the socialists here in Luxembourg, they form the government with the CSV.
First of all, they dared (again) to form a government with one of their "natural" ennemies.
Second, there is at the moment a debate here about catholic lessons in school. The socialists want to abolish it, but now they begin to compromise with the CSV, only party in the country who wants to maintain catholic lessons in public school, because the socialists fear to get thrown out of the government.
You see: Socialists? My ass!
I was a member of the LSAP, but I left it, because I'm not happy with all the things they're doing now with the CSV in government. All the socialists can produce is big cheeks and warm air (a way to say they're good in speech but not in action).
You know what? I might vote for the DP and a bit Green next poll. It's the composition of the city of Luxembourg "government" at the moment and I think they're doing their job well. And because they're the ones who dare to get aggressive towards the CSV (with the ADR, which I don't like, because they're too right wing), usually the job of the socialists and the communists.
And now to what you say about Aznar, Aznar is perhaps an asshole because he sent Spanish troops to Iraq, but he's no fascist. Fascists are people who want to destroy rivals and people who think differently to set up a dictatorship! The PP, Aznar's party, never set up a dictatorship or hunted down socialists or every other kind of political movement, so he's not a fascist!
In fact communists are like fascists, without the xenophobe aspects. Both of them like to set up dictatorships, to defile massively in uniforms and carrying flags with some background music and to hunt down people who dare to think differently. Both sides are shit, that's why I prefer the centre.
Even if Castro brought alphabetism and health care to the Cubans and chased the American slavemasters out of the country (points why I like this dude), why doesn't he leave his post to organize democratic elections? He (or his party) might win again, who knows?
I fear Chavez might do the same thing, that's why Venezuelan students are rioting I guess. (Ed could explain this point.)
In my opinion, the only real good socialist South America ever had was Chilean Salvador Allende, pity he was murdered. (Another reason to hate US American foreign politics.)
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 16:16 |
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| ophone wrote: |
| I fear Chavez might do the same thing, that's why Venezuelan students are rioting I guess. (Ed could explain this point.) |
exactly... but for Chavez it's gonna be hard! Communism after more than 40 years of democracy?? i don't think so!
Communism and Socialism are things of the past! they must be completely dead! Here in Venezuela, everybody has their own interests... also, the opposition leaders! and they're playing at the favor of Chavez... so, most of us ask each other here: "WHO the hell can we trust??"
that's why the Student Movement appeared with the closure of the greatest TV channel on Venezuela Radio Caracas Television (RCTV) and we are all fighting against that Castro's son and against his remake of the constitution (laws)...
its all pure crap here... i don't want to loose all the things i worked so hard for!
amazing post ophone! completely agreed with you!!! 
DEATH to communism!
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CosmicMouse
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 08:11 |
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I won't getting wrapped up in this discussion deeply because I admit I am bad in politics (...I know the basics but not enough to discuss it in a foreign language).
I just want to ask you guys to discuss respectfully and objective. Don't let it drift into personal attacks. Bring facts, compare...and make sure you speak about the same things. I remember there are a lot of different types of communism for example. I think the original thought or let's say the archeotype (?) of communistic thinking has already been developed long long ago in natural-religions for example - the equalisation of people is maybe a good original idea. It's about a fair sharing. Maybe this is what az likes about it.
Later forms of communism failed in my opinion.
I am trying to understand what az means, and I can understand that he doesn't like money - with money (and that's what capitalism is standing for) people do bad things, I agree.
But I wouldn't say money is basicly a bad thing. Money in it's original meaning is just a medium of exchange. Nothing more. You can make good things with money and bad things.
(Dyego, do you want me to split the thread? I saw you changed the title...)
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Dye
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 18:53 |
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| CosmicMouse wrote: |
(Dyego, do you want me to split the thread? I saw you changed the title...)
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Nah it's ok. I changed it because I thought it was funny how different subjects started to appear in the topic
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Cosmic Noe
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 20:04 |
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I think I can explain in part what Az means to say. We never had a monarchy and that's why we don't understand how come you can have a monarchy and a democratic parlament at the same time. They're different styles of government. Monarchies aren't democratic for the simple reason that I, Az or YOU can't be a King or Queen. So, my question is, how can they exist together? And Democratic monarchy my bollocks (which I don't have, but it's a nice expression)
For me, monarchies exists just for the magazine's pics. Juan Carlos made a bad mood on Chavez the other day. And in this case, I support the Venezuelan president. The things that he does in his country, I don't know them all. But he was elected, so bear with him. I don't like our future president, but she was elected. That's the idea of democracy.
Kisses to all,
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 16:27 |
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In fact the monarchs, our Grand Duke for instance, have a representative role and have the title of head of the state. But here nearly every law is made by the ministers and voted by the chamber of deputies (parliament), ministers and deputies who were elected by the common people.
It's true, a law is only valable if the Grand Duke has signed it, but if he wouldn't agree with the laws proposed by the ministers and parliamentarians he wouldn't stay Grand Duke for long.
The former King of Belgians Baudouin refused to legalize abortion because he was a very catholic man. The solution was to instaure a republic for one day, where the Belgian parliament could pass the abortion law. After that day the king was reinstaured.
So, monarchs don't have that much power as you may think, their role is more to give the state a certain glamour, which the neighbouring republics, like France and foremost Germany, envy us. And they're the symbol of national unity (especially in Belgium nowadays).
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Runaway Maggie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 22:37 |
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Wow - what a diverse thread!
I just thought i'd put a little word in here and say how much i was looking forward to hearing something new because when i got back into the band, they stopped touring!! And then got completely confused because i am such a numbskull when it comes to politics. I'm sorry i have nothing to add as such to that and hope you don't mind too much. 
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mr.az
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 22:45 |
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i want the band release soon a new anthem as ''when you gonna learn'' and ''virtuanl insanity'' for this fucked up times
i will really love a song like revolution 1993...today
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 23:28 |
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ophone
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 00:58 |
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You all have to agree with me, there's someone who is even a bigger moron then Hugo Chavez:
George W. Bush!!!
How can this guy still hold his position concerning Iran, after reading all those reports about Iran only using nuclear power for civil purposes since 2003?
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