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Zsoma
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| Pepela wrote: |
Winning over the one who's apriory weaker than you isn't a true victory. |
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Seb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:03 |
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I understand your point of view Zsoma, it's a little like the boycott of the Beijing' olympic games, great event, symbol of freedom and fraternity in a rather anti-democratic country.
But in the other hand those situations allow to talk about those political/freedom problems. And it can produce strong symbols, like the victory of the black american champion Jesse Owens in 1936; in front of Hitler or even the black gloves in 1968.
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| Really? Is this what your country thought when you possessed our country for 40 years and you broke down the revolution in 1848 and 1956..........? |
I think the correct word to use is not "you" but "political leaders" cause I don't think Funkiroquai or any georgian possessed much things in this times, like all the people in the CCCP countries, Russian included...
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| but a country where corruption and censure is a political asset should not preach me about true victory and fair play... |
What a people have to do with corruption and censure ? They just are the victims.
And back to the football topic, I agree with Funkiroquai, even if you're not pro-Russians, you have to admit that on the field they're very dynamic and offensive, a lot more pleasant to watch than Italy, French etc (wich were the teams I supported)
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Zsoma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:33 |
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Not replying to any of your points, just for only one:
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| And back to the football topic, I agree with Funkiroquai, even if you're not pro-Russians, you have to admit that on the field they're very dynamic and offensive, a lot more pleasant to watch than Italy, French etc (wich were the teams I supported) |
Agree, this is why I was saying Russia deserved to win against Netherlands . |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:47 |
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What a boring match yesterday!
And Italy lost! 
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russky
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 14:44 |
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yep - Spain deserved it! well done 
Italy were too negative once again and paid the price. I wouldn't have wanted to see Italy going through if they were going to continue this style as usual.
I think Spain & Germany will be the final although i do like the Russian mentality and attack i dont see them having enought to defeat Spain with a defense like that. Also the Russian fullbacks thrive on getting forward but they leave themselves very vulnerable and will pay for it against Torres, Villa & co.
Russia is built around its Zenit St Petersburg stars but my team Everton beat them in the Uefa cup, hey zsoma
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FRA
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Cosmic Girl
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 15:30 |
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| russky wrote: |
Italy were too negative once again and paid the price. I wouldn't have wanted to see Italy going through if they were going to continue this style as usual. |
russ you have choosen the right words to describe it  |
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Pepela
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 16:19 |
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| Zsoma wrote: |
| Pepela wrote: |
Winning over the one who's apriory weaker than you isn't a true victory. |
Really? Is this what your country thought when you possessed our country for 40 years and you broke down the revolution in 1848 and 1956..........? Of course you went through cause you had played better than Netherlands, but a country where corruption and censure is a political asset should not preach me about true victory and fair play..... But this is far from the Euro 2008, so I rather finish it  . |
1) ME??? I wasn't born those days
2) Those time have passed and life goes on and me and my country shouldn't answer for the things happened 100000 years ago. And especially I don't have to answer for those things.
3) I'm not only Russian but also Georgian so I'm not responsible for that
4) Russia and CIS that was our help for the whole world to win over Germany and nazi - why don't we remember that fact
5) If you wish to remember history, then try to remember about one guy, Hitler, and all the Germany - myabe you want to say that all german people have to answer for their past???? Was that their fault??????? According to you logics, that is so and that is CRAZY!!!!!!
6) And don't tell me about corruption - that's a problem in much more countries than Russia. That's just funny.
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Think before writing such political bullshit, coz we are talking here about Euro 08, not politics, OK? And take into account that you may hurt people who are here with such posts.
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russky
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 16:37 |
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thanks suzi & sorry Fra
nobody wants to see a team packing all their players behind the ball and playing for a lucky goal and if not penalties. I think the reasoning behind this was obviously the two missing players - Gattuso & Pierlo.
However Italy have played like this in recent years and Greece did it throughout the last tournament to win it but it's not the way the game should be played in my opinion.
Also i know my opinion isn't worth much as England were never in it but i hope we never play like this. Maybe bacause we wouldn't know how! 
i hope Capello doesn't stifle us. 
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 17:40 |
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u are all totally offtopic  ..concentrate on the really important things..!!!
not politics..not the games 
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David Odonkor 
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Luca Toni
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Christiano Ronaldo 
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Frederik Ljungberg
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Fernando Torres....please mention his very cool jacket! 
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Zsoma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 20:46 |
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| russky wrote: |
thanks suzi & sorry Fra
nobody wants to see a team packing all their players behind the ball and playing for a lucky goal and if not penalties. I think the reasoning behind this was obviously the two missing players - Gattuso & Pirlo.
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I'm curious to see what Italy's gonna do without Pirlo, sooner or later he will retire from international football, so Italy needs to find a new maestro for their team as Pirlo's presence is vital for them. They need more creative players in the squad, Ambrosini and Gattuso should say goodbye to the team. |
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Zsoma
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 20:48 |
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I totally agree with Russ: italy was so negative and Donadoni should stay away from the team  |
Lippi's coming back, he'll do it again |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 20:38 |
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AM SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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russky
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 21:36 |
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why anna??
lucky , lucky Germans!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 23:32 |
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I'll tell you next week
'twas an exciting finish for sure!
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