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ophone
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Well Iñaki, the film you posted shows in a funny way what religion can do to poor uneducated people.
And Jamiroquanna, I usually pick what is right in my opinion. And even sometimes the Catholic church can say things which are right, but only bits. But when it comes to the Catholic church I don't go the whole nine yards, because most of what the church (and other religions) says is complete non-sense and doesn't apply to society.
Here some things I clearly contradict with the church:
I am for the use of contraceptives.
I am for euthanasia in extreme cases. (Like people who suffer tremendous pain and know there is no remedy against it.)
I am for abortion in certain cases. (I listed the cases in some of my past posts.)
I am for the legalisation of homosexual mariage.
I want homosexual couples to be allowed to adopt children. (Which is much better than putting those children into orphan homes.)
I am for the abolition of religion in public schools.
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:58 |
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well, appart of a funny clip about that, you can take another lesson from there:
"every sperm you throw away is killing!"...so...if you don't want kids....cut your balls!"
the marriage thing is another thing i see silly. as you most know i'm atheist and anti-religious, and i've see as an absurdity most of the catholic people, who follows and supports a religion wich aren't agree with (it treats homosexuals and womans like shit, to start)
i'm totally agree with people having sex or love with anyone they want (if all parts are agree), man-woman, woman-woman, man-man, woman-woman-woman-man-woman etc...) but why to do a marriage "in front" of God if He don't accept it?, some only want legally marry, but lots wants also a catholic homosexual marriage! why oh why!? they don't accept you in the garden of god where everyone is supossed to be accepted and loved? fucke them! for me is as absurd as a black man/woman in the nazi party!.
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ophone
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 13:29 |
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
well, appart of a funny clip about that, you can take another lesson from there:
"every sperm you throw away is killing!"...so...if you don't want kids....cut your balls!"
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 hehe. Then we men are killers of billions of little sperms every shot, even if one makes it to the ovula.
Ah Iñaki, with marriage I didn't mean the one in church, synagogue or whatever, but the civil one. Because we can wait very long until homosexual couples can marry at those religious institutions.
Why mariage? Well to officialize couples, so they get tax cuts and rights like adopting children.
Here in Luxembourg (and in France too) we have the PACS, some sort of marriage light, which heterosexual and homosexual couples can sign. But why can't the homosexuals simply marry if they want? I don't know why.
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Cosmic Noe
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 19:34 |
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Here's one opinion:
Ophone: when you become a woman (if you ever try to be one) you can have a trully opinion about abortion. In the meantime, while you're still a man, you can't possible get close enough to have a real and factual opinion.
Sadly for the rest (male of any kind of specie) females are the only people on earth able to give birth. I'm pro-abortion in ANY circumstanse (and not only "if...")
And I don't consider myself a murderer. This reminds me to other topic (the vegans VS carnivors) where I expressed that I love to eat meat, 'cos in my culture is not a crime to kill and eat cows. I don't think myself as a murderer, nor the butcher of course. But I understand that in other countries with a different culture than mine, eating cows is considered a crime. While they don't judge me, I won't judge them. That's the issue here: respect other people's opinion, don't be judgemental, and make your point of view without hurting anyone else's feelings.
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Andrew
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 03:22 |
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I was going to stay well away from this topic, but there was an interview on the radio last night on this subject that covers quite a lot:
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| Carrie Gracie talks to Susan Wicklund who has been providing abortions in the United States for the past twenty years. Women in America may have the right to abortion, but Susan Wicklund says it is still seen as a secretive subject which many people are unhappy to talk about. So how does she deal with the ethical issues involved? |
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/interview/
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| Ophone: when you become a woman (if you ever try to be one) you can have a trully opinion about abortion. |
Yep.
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ophone
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 09:56 |
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| Cosmic Noe wrote: |
| That's the issue here: respect other people's opinion, don't be judgemental, and make your point of view without hurting anyone else's feelings. |
You tell me not to be judgemental, because it's true I'm judgemental, as anyone else. If we weren't judgemental here, there wouldn't be a discussion here.
And in topics like abortion it is quite impossible not to hurt anyone's feelings.
(Hey, as long it's just the feelings, I am not the one who threatens to kill doctors involved in abortion.)
Finally, why shouldn't I have a true opinion about abortion being a male, this is quite disrespectful!
You preach the respect of others opinions and love but you don't do it.
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Jamiroquanna
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:45 |
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Ophone, I don't think that Noe's intention was to be disrespectful. I think that she meant that only women can truly experience the deep feeling of having / not having an abortion, because they are the species which have to go through the pain of going through / not going through with the act. Yes, men are entitled in having an opinion about it, there is no doubt about that, but men don't have the tools to carry the foetus and therefore they cannot physically and emotionally feel the same as women do (just as women cannot understand what men go through in some cases).
In your previous post re: your opinions, I would like to point out that I did not prevent you from having an opinon. However, I was questioning, what seemed to me, a contradictory remark regarding your beliefs and Catholicism. Nothing more. Unfortunately, it seems that you cannot explain to me what I was questioning, therefore I will leave this discussion here for the time being.
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Seb
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:10 |
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Topic about etich are always sensitive ones.
Sorry Cosmic Noe, but even if I'm a man, and don't have many risk to abort, I have a brain and my own humble opinion that I will dare express, sorry.
I think that's better to abort a child, for example when the persons are too young and are themselves children yet, they haven't finished their studies, so they are too poor to raise a child in good conditions; having a child will ruin their lifes AND the "child" one. I also understand people who are mature and rich enough, but simply doesn't want child.
People aborting doesn't do it for pleasure, it must be very difficult physically and mentally, but if it's the only solution "better" than having a child who will live a sad life without real love from their parents ... According to me aborting is much courageous that leaving a basket with a baby inside.
Moreover legalising it will avoid all the dangerous, illegal and expensive "black market" who will always exist anyway. Like I said before, that's not why people will abort with plaisure like they buy a new car, and on the other hand anybody won't be obliged to do it.
It's just part of the progressing science, like its contrary, the artificial insemination.
It's a thing you do because you have to do it, even if you would prefer to avoid it.
Reminder: It's just MY opinion, I don't judge yours. Thanks for reading and stay cool 
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deesh
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Anna - I love the way you express yourself on this topic. Thank you.
Seb - You mentioned leaving a baby in a basket. Here, in the USA, we have a new wave of people putting the baby in trash cans and leaving them to die..or in dumpsters, back alley ways, school lockers, etc.
It got so bad a few years ago that the country adopted a safe haven rule. It says that you can drop your unwanted baby off at any firestation, police station and select churches, and just leave them with no questions asked. This doesn't get used and instead we have people still leaving them in trash cans.
I would hope that when 2 people are in a sexual relationship, they both can communicate about pregnancy when and if it happens, actually maybe even before. But as we all know this isn't the case.
Also, I know many women and couples that are happy with the decision they made to abort.
Right now we are in a tough spot...meaning people of the USA. This presidential election will most likely decide the fate of women and their sexual health - not just abortion, but also birth control. Although I have no daughters, I have 2 nieces and I am very afraid for them for the future. The next 4 years could spark a decision that will probably last the next 40 years or so. And a decision that would see the practice of unsafe abortions rise in our country.
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