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Space Clav
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Ron Paul was my absolute favourite. That man holds the constitution dear and that is admirable because it's what the US is built on. The man has principles and is obviously intelligent enough to see the corruption behind the Federal Reserve and the cause of the engineered financial crisis. Sadly he was ignored by the media. The media only focused on Romney, McCain, Huckabee and Giuliani (scary thought!). He wanted to be the Republican Presidential candidate although he's actually a true libertarian... but I guess his "only chance" was to identify himself with one of the big ones. Independents and the Green Party will never have a chance. Let's face it, the US is a two party country. Kucinich was an interesting democrat imho. But we all knew it would be a match between Hillary and Obama. Personally I would've voted for pretty much anyone just to make sure Hillary didn't become a Presidential candidate. Her husband was ok, but I simply do not like that woman... she's not to be trusted as she seems to be on a power trip rather than anything else.
Anyway... it stood between McCain and Obama. Sadly McCain really never had the chance to be the man he really is. He had to choose Palin to please the Christian right. Although he's more of a centrist he had to drive to the right and transform into McSame... pretty much a Bush clone, but definitely more competent to run the country imho. Still... too much of a war monger for my liking.
Obama is not the Messiah, nor is he the Anti-Christ like some evangelic nut cases to the extreme right apparently think. He seems like a very decent man and it's obvious that he wants to change things. The question is whether he can do it or not. He's in a tough position. Bankers and corporations run the US rather than the President. Control the money and you control everything else. Who controls the Fed? That's right... those people are in charge whether we like it or not. They do at least exercise their power to influence US politics quite a bit no matter who the President is. At least as long as it's a Republican or Democrat. Like jgrizz said, both those parties are too corrupt. It doesn't matter if their leader is a charismatic man who wants to change the world. Not when Senators and advisors are in the pockets of the elite controlling the money flow.
However, I hope Obama is strong enough to enforce some of the changes for the American people. The US needs to clean up its act. For their own benefit as well as the benefit of the remaining world. I'm afraid some of the promises made can't be fulfilled though... for several reasons. One thing is for sure... money doesn't grow on trees. You simply can't print shedloads of fiat money and expect it to pay for everything when it actually isn't worth more than the paper it's printed on. What the US really need is to abolish the Fed and tie the USD to the gold standard. This is not necessarily what the bankers and corporations want though.
I think the US foreign policies won't change that much. Such a dramatic change won't happen overnight. Going from "world police" sticking its nose in just about everything to a responsible nation promoting peace and understanding while also supporting the oppressed is a process that will take many years. I guess troops will be shifted from Iraq to Afghanistan and hopefully a dialogue with Iran will emerge rather than a war. We'll see... remember that the Democrats is not a peace party. Their hands are just as bloody as the Republicans.
However, this election has made the USA grow from a big nation to a magnificent one. Because it shows that their people have matured enough to set race and colour aside when choosing their leader. The people have spoken and they wanted Obama, not because he was black, but because he represented something they were so desperately aching for... change! It could very well be the great beginning for a new bright future.
Unlike jgrizz I think a vote for Nader is a vote wasted because no matter how good Nader would be for the US and its citizens as well as the world his chances of actually winning are worse than a snowball in hell. Writing in Ron Paul or any other independent is also a waste of voting power unless you really really just wanted to make the statement "I don't like what's on the menu".
Had I been an American citizen and the choice was between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin the choice would've been easy. Obama/Biden all the way! Even if McCain wouldn't have been such a bad choice as Bush is/was Palin would only be a heartbeat away from becoming the President of the United States of America. And quite frankly... that thought scared the shit out of me.
I wish Obama all the best of luck and success. And I really hope he can provide the change we're all longing for.
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Dye
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 18:25 |
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Good luck for all of you up there with this new path!
I'm also happy Obama won.
ps: Nice reading Deesh 
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 18:51 |
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Thankx for the answer, maybe he does look reallly young because of mc cain.
You do write, he is not the messias, but i do fear for the man.
Right now everybody is extatic, and it is hard to keep ppl that happy.
He has to change a lot, and i hear he has a lot of planns, but it will take time!!
Hope he gets the time, to make the changes.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 23:23 |
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A very great man once said; 'I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character'.
Well, another very great man has just been voted America's next President and a big step has just been taken to make that dream a reality.... Amen to that!!
Rocco.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 08:29 |
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| Rocco wrote: |
| A very great man once said; 'I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character'. |
- Martin Luther King 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 05:55 |
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I'm very happy that Obama won... He frankly just brings a freshness to things... I agree, he's no messiah, but I think in time he can bring a lot of positive change to the U.S.
People need to realize that the changes he wants to implement won't happen overnight. We could be sitting here 2 years from now saying he hasn't accomplished much... but I think he will slowly get things changed.
The U.,S. is broke in a lot of ways, and I don't envy the job Obama has in front of him, but if he's able to fix most of our problems- Iraq, a soaring debt, Social Security, Healthcare concerns, education, etc. etc. etc., no one will be able to deny how good he's been. I wish him the best.
P.S.- (shamelss myspace plug on the way): The main pic on my Myspace page right now is a pic I took at the Coachella festival back in April. It was a band called Grand Ole Party, and they had a pretty unique drumhead, so check it out.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:23 |
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(Jonas, great posting!! I was also for Ron Paul... by the way.)
I agree with the lot of you that Obama is the one who has the ability, the charisma, the power and the support from the people to make a change. Yes he can! And I do have hope that he will bring the change... And that's why I wish from the bottom of my heart that he will be able to cutt himself off from the men behind him who brought him to where he is today. Because THEY have a completely different plan.
Watch this video (part1 & part2) to get some information about the group behind Obama and what their real intentions are. It's an interview with Webster Tarpley (he is a historian and has written books in the past about 9/11 and Bush for example, maybe that's where you know him from).
"A Two part interview with Webster Tarpley describing who is behind Obama and pulling the strings on the president elect and the plans behind it for the future. A must watch with brilliant insight and analysis."
 http://www.wholetruthcoalition.org/2008/11/06/the-men-behind-obama/
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 21:49 |
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Meike, thanks for this link, I even translated the content into Russian to show it to my non-English-speaking friends. I have long known that Obama is Brzezinski's puppet, but this interview clarified a lot about Zbig's real plans. The bottom line is: never trust politicians! |
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Ivy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 23:50 |
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intersting but I thnk those are radicall assumptions from far right consipracy theorists that picked on the
former "unlikely candidate" , i think they'lll be dissapointed in their theoeries not unfolding like they're predicting...President Elect Obama definatly has a mind, i dont see much of puppet in him i thnk they just like to purport that idea of him being elitist...I don't want 2 judge only by association...the guy can think for himself seems VERY intelligent unlike bush ...I think Brzezinski should be worried.
but I know everyones entitled to opinion! |
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CosmicMouse
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 08:03 |
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Don't get me wrong... I am not Anti-Obama. McCain wouldn't have been a better choice. I am just thinking that there was no real choice... because no matter who will be the new american president - the plan is him to be a puppet, like Bush and other presidents have been.
It is no assumption.. it is a FACT that Zbigniew Brzezinski is Obama's foreign policy advisor, and it's a fact that they support each other.
The only thing you need to do is, to do some research on Brzezinski. Who is he, what has he done in the past, what is his plan/intention? (some cues to use for your research: Al Qaeda, terrorism, Afghanistan, Bilderberger, ...)
I STILL think or let's better say HOPE that Obama will have the strength to follow his OWN plan and won't be a puppet. I think he can do it!!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:04 |
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Hi Ivy and Pete! 
Everyone please keep in thought and prayer (if you pray, if you don't...all good) our new President-Elect and his family. Not only that he have the strength, wisdom and courage in his new position, but also for the protection of his beautiful family as they make the transition to the White House. Just send positive vibes his way for him, his family, this country, the people in this country and the people around the world that will be influenced by anything he does.
I hope that anyone who felt moved or passionate about this election will remain active, especially those in this country and not only hold Obama accountable, but also your local politicians for upholding and representing the country and its people.
There's a lot of work to be done. Obama didn't completely create the mess he faces, and I think its fair to see he is going to need thoughts, prayers, vibes and action from everyone to get out of it. Intepret that as you will.
Thank you all for being so interested in our politics, which are so much world politics. Thank you for recognizing how important this election is and what it meant to communities that I live and work in daily. Politicians are politicians, but I feel as if Obama was the best 'politician' for the job out of who was running for the position at the end.
Atleast I can now say I've met a President of the United States...and shook his hand.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 07:35 |
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Re: Elections in the United States
Deesha, you have to let us know the story how you shook the hand of the president!
HAha...Butterfly in June...Good job you crossed your fingers...
I went to the polls w/the lady I work for, who is 90. She created a line in this small town (if it was Denver, then it would be another story...lines all around in other towns)...You could feel the optimism in the air. I felt proud for her when I heard the official announce her name before she approached the voting booth. What an exciting moment (I watched on tv) when they proclaimed Obama the winner on the evening news. It made me happy to see all the people hugging and laughing, and crying, and jumping for joy that the Bush regime is over and Obama won. ANyway, he won. Now let's see what he does.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 07:44 |
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Space Clav, you're right. If Ron Paul would have run under the Rep Ticket, he'd have won, I believe.
It's amazing how many people talk about leaving the country if another republican won. And I have to laugh when they say about Canada not letting them in (due to the high rate of Americans going there for health care.) I want to move to the beach regardless of who won the election here. Although, I've never been to Canada (couldn't get past the border guards) 
What a happy day for the entire world, I believe. Well, we did see celebrations around the globe, which we didn't see when Bush stole the election years ago. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 14:47 |
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Re: Elections in the United States
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| Deesha, you have to let us know the story how you shook the hand of the president! |
It was such a happy day! I got a special invite to the Compassion Forum in April, which was a sit down with nominees Obama and Clinton about faith, as well as humanitarian issues. It was at a college here in Pennsylvania and only students of the college and invitees could come. Well, I got an invite from one of the organizations I volunteer with.
My seat was 4 rows from the front. I didn't know this or I would have dressed nicer..heehee. It was broadcast on CNN and the host sat down with each candidate for about 40 minutes individually to discuss thinks like religion, abortion, torture, poverty, etc. Well, I sat like 2 from the aisle and that was Obama's exit and entrance. Clinton's was on the other side. So, when he was leaving, I reached over my hand and said, "Good Luck Senator" and he said "Thank you" and that was it. They were so strict and took our phones and cameras upon entrance to hold until it was over, so I have no pictures or nothing. Only thing I have is this video on
CNN that shows me very fast sitting in the audience.
You have to sit through the commercial in the beginning and then it'll go to Obama and I am around the 1:25 second mark..look to your left in red and grey striped shirt..look fast or you'll miss me:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2008/04/14/sot.obama.torture.cnn
Awesome, awesome day. Very inspiring, not only the forum, but the fact that I got an invite their solidified the path that God has put me on.
I also saw him speak years ago at a CARE conference, and this past conference which was in June - stopped by his office just to take this picture:
http://picasaweb.google.com/deesha34/2008NationalCAREConference#
(scroll down to the bottom)
So, when people were claiming they didn't know Obama, I had followed his career and knew him for several years, for his work with the genocide in Darfur, as well as other humanitarian things.
Sorry this is so long..haha
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