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funk4
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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They would have been declared immortal music-gods by the fans if they would have made the new album like the style of their recent gigs (this summer and the previous years, like the jazz cafe).
But then again, it's very brave to go on a (very) different road. They knew in advance it would be controversial to many fans. I think (and hope) they are well aware of that fact. |
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Javis
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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Location: Córdoba, Argentina
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 15:34 |
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Space clav said very well what I feel too. Songs are very well written and well executed. There's where the respect to the guys is. We all know they are great musicians, but I wont like blue skies just because of that.
BTW, Troll, your post is great, it makes me think that all this must be harder for you guys since I started to be fan just 7 years ago. |
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Trolll
Joined: 27 May 2002
Posts: 335
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 15:55 |
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Space Clav : our respectives messages probably created the longest Jamirotalk page ever!  Anyway, it's all well written and to the point!
Javis : there's nothing hard actually, I might have been a bit harsh in my "conclusion", talking about breakup, not buying the album, etc. Space Clav expressed that better than I did.
Whatever the band does, we'll always keep a caring eye on them and we'll be glad to attend gigs whenever there's a nice tour going on (like this summer) or buy an album that you like. It's definitely not "slamming the door and never looking back!"
It's actually more turning from a "blind fan" who would love anything the band releases from "Hmmm, OK, that's not my dope... I'll leave you guys alone on this one and we'll probably catch up some other time".  |
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Jamarcus
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Location: California
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 16:11 |
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Trolll –
Your gorgeous post somehow frames my bitter one in a less obnoxious light. At least I’m less self conscious in the aftermath of writing it. |
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alyd
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
Posts: 203
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 19:01 |
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Most fandoms are the same in that they're so into it all that they end up being a body of negative, damaging expecters.
The general public can just buy or not depending on what they hear, they have a choice of all the music out there and some people will choose Jamiroquai and others will not. And that is all there is to it.
Nobody is owed anything just because they've been listening to the same voice for eighteen years - that doesn't give you a stranglehold on someone's creativity.
If fans continue being pissy rather than just not listening to what they don't like and walking away to something else then what's gonna happen is Jay is gonna get bored with the whole thing. It's gonna get negative for him and the band and he'll just sack it in and work with other people writing etc and you simply won't hear him sing any more.
Some (not all) people would do well to realise that they're fortunate to have the option to hear Jay/Jamiroquai at all and if they don't like it don't kick them about it - it's a matter of taste, there is no right and wrong - if you don't like it please don't soil the bed because you don't want to sleep in it any more, it's antisocial and frikkin boring frankly.
Some people need to just grow up and listen to music they like and not try and hurt Jay and the band for not making the music they felt they deserved - those people simply have no right to do that and they make themselves as bad as the arses who judge Jay for his lifestyle not his creativity.
In my very frikkin humble opinion. Enjoy Jools Holland and if for those negative fans Jay and the band are not the best thing on it maybe there'll be someone else on there you'd like to buy and listen to instead. |
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Jamarcus
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 142
Location: California
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 21:26 |
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alyd –
He won’t quit behind persons voicing an opinion. If he decides to retire the Jamiroquai b[r]and it’ll be for his reasons and his reasons alone. No one here said they owe us anything. Long term fans had high expectations. That shouldn’t come as a surprise as the wait between studio albums has been longer than usual. Fans bitching and moaning is their right on an open fan forum.
This is one album and we haven’t heard the whole thing yet. From just four songs I won’t be buying the album unless I hear at least three or four tracks I deem worthy of their previous efforts. |
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John Doggett
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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Location: France
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 23:29 |
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As I said on Funkin.com :
What we've been expecting, I guess, it's not necessarily an acid Jazz or a Jazz/funk/soul/electro album.
We've been waiting for a rich and complex album far away from formated tune. Tracks which not be limited at 4 minutes. It could be rock, that's not the matter.
I hope we'll find LONG tracks with changing tempo, complexe structure (introduction, music and concluson like, in a certain point of view Just Another Story).
Derrick said that they're free without Sony. I hope feel theses vibes, whatever the style!
To Meike (I answer here to your (good) comment): Yes, we've been hearing some edited music. I hope to hear some funky or rocky jam!! Because it's the essence of Jamiroquai
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olympus
Joined: 26 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 02:27 |
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Rob has already showed to us that he's an awesome guitar player.
The most disappointing is that they promised a lot of things, and WHERE THE HELL are they on these 3 new songs?
WKR is nice, but electronic drums
BS and Hurtin': you read about no more 3, 4 min songs, horns back and then listen to these two. Disappointing, to say the least.
I can't consider RDLS as it has only been played live, and seriously, I'm afraid to hear the studio version, after BS and Hurtin'. That makes me sad 
I highly appreciate that the band wants to make a change, but let's be honest: Jamiroquai is not McFly or any other boy/girlband who cares nothing about their fans, only interested in the money. I believe we have the right to complain, it's the fans that keep a band alive. But I don't agree that we can dictate the artistic direction of the band. That's for JK.
We invest our time, our money on this band we all love, for what?
While croping Hurtin' to make the MP3 from the dutch show for you, I was impressed on how the music seemed like a 3 min copy-paste over and over, on the audio program window.
Sorry if I'm too harsh, but the band's awesome, the musicians are awesome, but this song is crap. We, and by we I mean the band AND the fans, deserve better songs.
You don't have to go far... Starchild is probably one of the greatest songs JMQ ever made, and Hurtin' is nowhere close to it in many aspects.
I seriously hope that Jamiroquai did not leave the funk like Red Hot Chilli Peppers did, and that RDLS doesn't become what Californication meant to them IMHO: leaving the funk behind forever.
I'm not mad or sad. I hope that the show rocks. But I'll be extremely disappointed to spend half a month's salary to travel and pay for a stupidly-expensive ticket if these changes also affect live performances...
FJLIS never seemed so nice.
And Jamiroquai, please "Put Back the Funk in It" (The Brand New Heavies, 1992)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naSfiMgmlP4
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jamfan2005
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 04:21 |
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| Zsoma wrote: |
| bigball123 wrote: |
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| I hope you meant excited by warning. IMO Radio is the best song that they have put out since AFO. |
I agree. Radio is a great track. |
It is a great track indeed but heavily impacted by Rob's rocky sound. |
True but you have to appreciate the great bass lines, electric "Rhodes style" piano and vinyl scratching (2:12). More old school sounding than most tracks released recently |
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iranterres
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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Location: Brasil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 05:34 |
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Me and Jamiroquai "clashed" firstly in the later half of 1993, and I was 9 years old...
My uncle travelled to netherlands and brought a gift from there a random piece of unknowm music for me at the time, it was a very simple white CD sleeve with a weird picture of a dude with a buffalo hat. There was Emergency On Planet Earth. Right away on the first track with that blasting intro i got mesmerized. The first time i listened to it, it was a shock (was quite hard for a kid to assimilate it) but after that, I got myself together again to listen non stop, i felt like a musical voyager as every tune went so perfectly fit one after another. Everytime I listen to the first album, i'm driving back to those blurry times.
After that i was so curious to know who exactly were those guys, they dounded like nothing i had ever heard in my life, so i started reading and searching. Basicaly there were not much info about them here at the time (mostly it came from some specialized music magazines, nothing else). Then halfway through 1994 I found a store with The Return Of The Space Cowboy (my version is the UK release). I asked the same uncle who in the year before got me EOPE, to give me that one as well, so there it goes. Firstly it felt different and very interesting... Just Another Story sounded like a pocket opera to me, and after Stillness In Time went through, i know i was in love with that one. Was a heavier sound, much wilder and unpredictable than EOPE, that kind of musical trip that once you start, you don't wanna go back to earth. And after reading in the 'thanks to' section of the sleeve (Brazil here we go) i went nuts, wanted to watch them at any cost, but no more than a bare dream for a 9 year old boy.
So i waited them patiently... After that, these guys got very well known here, I got much more access to information and waited patiently for any new album release (and their visit), so prior to christmas of 1996 i got 'blessed' once again, and Travelling Without Moving was waiting for me in the desk... I was digging Virtual Insanity instantly, after Use The Force stroke the speakers it was a good surprise... Firat thing in my head came was "well seems they're experimenting..." After Cosmic Girl and Alright came, there was that feeling the album was a killer, no doubts, it was... And they finally came in 1997! And i was able to see them at the Free Jazz Festival (extinct). Quite great deed for a boy at his twelves, and despite their troubled presentation, it was one of the most espectacular musical experiences of my life.
In 1998 all i got were rumors from the press (mainly MTV) about a possible album release that year, but all i got was 'Deeper Underground' and that horrible movie, i liked the song, and it was the best we could get from the movie anyways. And after that, some shocking news about Stu's departure citting "personal reasons", that time, it was all that i got from it. No further explanations...
1999 started on a fast lane as did the rumors about some album that had to be remade and stuff, but what i was expecting for, was their new release (wich i really thought it was synphonized as touted in the media here at the time) But then i bought Synkronized. I was grown enough to notice how personal it felt for Jay, and the much darker content of the album itself, but Canned Heat seemed more like an ill-fated Cosmic Girl2 but nevertheless it came in a good grace. It was clear that Stu's loss really shaped that album in every meaning.
On 2001/09/11 At 11am, i was heading back home from high school and mom said "someone crashed airplanes in NY, it was huge..." Then i remembered it was the launch date for their new album AFO. It felt awfully bad-timed and after that stunning tragedy, I didn't have a peek at it until later...
After i first heard AFO, i thought "what the hell???" Although i liked the album as a whole, i felt a total lack of direction and identity of Jamiroquai as a band after that album(d-zire, buchannan, katz, al stone... all gone), it kinda stroke me hard but the partnership Jay/Toby was there, so i knew there was nothing to worry about... Until then...
4 years later, the expectations for Dynamite were high (even after toby's departure), but we had Feels Just Like It Should as single and Jay's clear tries to go mainstream. For me that was pure shit, and i didn't want to listen anything else until the album was at my desk. Dynamite in my ears, sounded more like a slow paced AFO with honorable mentions to Time Won't Wait (wich shamefuly haven't made to my album version, and truly the very last live/organic recording of a Jamiroquai song). But differently from many, I do consider AFO better than Dynamite, Dynamite is too generic despite some good tunes, but AFO is a good album, because toby smith's fingers were there and it has a definite style/trend. Something that Dynamite lacks so far.
Then now, i came embroiled in promises of a much more organic, live sound, wich after 4 songs so far, i haven't heard of (sorry Meike, i will blatantly disagree with you on that aspect exclusively ) Somehow i felt cheated but i know there is still much more to come, because as you can see, This band is directly linked to me since my childhood, wich is weird hehehe... So all I want to see, is the best.
Sorry for the long post, if you got time to read, consider yourself a HERO. 
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CosmicMouse
Jamirotalk mum
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 06:14 |
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Thank you all so much for those great postings! I don't mind them to be looong, I enjoy reading these kind of life-storys because it gives me better insight of how you guys are thinking and feeling and how the feelings you are having today have developed during the times!
I wanna write my "story" too, but am so busy here in daily life that it might take a while... but it will come!
There are a lot of similarities to your storys, but also some differences.
It's always better to express your own emotions about a situation, instead of making reproaches. That's a big rule in communication if you wanna make someone understand you. By saying "you do this wrong, you do that wrong" the only thing you will get back is defense. That's general speaking and you can use this in every conflict situation: explain how you feel!!
Keep up the respectful messages and opinions!!! 
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Trolll
Joined: 27 May 2002
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 08:16 |
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Oh my god, I've turned this into a psychologist' place!
Lie down on the couch and tell me your story with Jamiroquai!
Actually, keep the posts coming in, great read! |
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mindblower
Joined: 18 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 08:20 |
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I can say that I have quite the same history like iranterres. I was around 11 years old that I experienced Jamiroquai on a television screen in a childrens fashion store. I was baffled and my mother didn't get me out this store until the music video (Blow Your Mind) was finished.
Anyway, my iTunes library counts up to 50 Jamiroquai records from all over the world (incl. own bootleg recordings I did with high-end recorders myself) except Dynamite! This is the only album I never ripped into my iTunes library! I even don't know where in my basement the record is. I feel kind of betrayed after the anouncements of "the old Jamiroquai" and all we've got so far is a cheap pop / rock sound.
This is how I feel at the moment about the new album:
I hope the rest of the album will have some easter eggs for the old fans  .
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mr.az
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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Location: rallying
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| Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 22:09 |
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| mindblower wrote: |
I can say that I have quite the same history like iranterres. I was around 11 years old that I experienced Jamiroquai on a television screen in a childrens fashion store. I was baffled and my mother didn't get me out this store until the music video (Blow Your Mind) was finished.
Anyway, my iTunes library counts up to 50 Jamiroquai records from all over the world (incl. own bootleg recordings I did with high-end recorders myself) except Dynamite! This is the only album I never ripped into my iTunes library! I even don't know where in my basement the record is. I feel a kind of betrayed after the anouncements of "the old Jamiroquai" and all weg got so far is a cheap pop / rock sound.
This is how I feel at the moment about the new album:
I hope the rest of the album will have some easter eggs for the old fans . |
poor lamborghini diablo se30
i wouldn't say is a jota because u must look details, and this one is crashed
sorry if u feel that way
we hope the album is enough to forget this sad post
i dont wanna look that car, NOOOOOOOOOOO
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jamirokaki
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Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Location: basque country
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 00:37 |
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like the new songs or no, true fans who loves the band and his bandmembers, like the jamily, will support jamiroquai.
and going to their concert will be always a very good experience cause you will hear good stuff anyway!
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