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HoneyBee
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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ElTouffoDrum, are you only 18?
do you play an instrument?
have you ever performed on stage?
if so, how many records have you sold?
how many people have been to your show?
how many songs have you written?
So now you insult the band members? no talent?
you blow me away with dumbass comments like this.
the band members, and the backup singers have a lot of talent. 3 of the members will have own compositions out this March, btw.
As for Jami, I don't want to hear Synkronized, or TWM, or Dynamite or RDLS again. I want something new.
I think some of you are disgruntled ex-members, or disgruntled fans.
or you're getting my goat |
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Curry
Joined: 19 Mar 2013
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Location: Arizona, USA
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 08:46 |
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| HoneyBee wrote: |
Curry says interesting things. Jami's greatest sales is the '90's.
But think about it. Marvin Gaye made some of his greatest music on his last album, Midnight Love. His 3rd decade of recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh2EDD_kdfo
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Isn't that interesting though? People start praising an artist for their greatest works after they died? If they're lucky enough, and still in the public eye while alive, those great works are simply added to the list of things they're doing now.
Santana..I LOVE this guy even though there is a difference between his earlier stuff and his more spirit-bound stuff. Both are excellent and I'm sure his fans were wondering where the heck he was going. But surly you can't blame the man (or any other human being for that matter) to hunker down and create the only impression of their music you were impressed by. I feel that just robs them of the title "Artist" and kills any sort of creativity possible.
Sure I mentioned some possibilities up there, but that was because I was trying to understand where iranterres was coming from. It's just not clear to me what his point actually is. Just that he's not feeling it with this band lately.
But my point on marketing still stands as I find that to be the fault of many successes not reaching their potential.
I, personally, don't care which way Jamiroquai goes because, to me, I feel as though Jay is the only one who knows which way the band should go. Why should I demand they play one way over another? I give my opinion, but only because those are things I prefer. Not because I refuse to give them a try and be open minded about things.
Change happens. People change and rivers keep flowing. I won't be stuck in the past, reliving former glories. That would be just wrong. I think it should be encouraged to see your favorite artist move forward and see what other things they can do.
But that's just me! lol |
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Curry
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 08:51 |
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Well said, Dye!  |
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ElTouffoDrum
Joined: 11 May 2013
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Location: France (50)
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 15:03 |
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| HoneyBee wrote: |
ElTouffoDrum, are you only 18?
do you play an instrument?
have you ever performed on stage?
if so, how many records have you sold?
how many people have been to your show?
how many songs have you written?
So now you insult the band members? no talent?
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16, yes, yes, no, i dont know cos' we do concert with other band, songs of the Jamiroquai quality : 0, and NO. I don't insult the band members, if could meet them it would be a great day. But they seems to have the place of a technicians and i really think they just follow the project of Jay. They should take a real "musicians" place just like do Smith & Zender some years ago.
If i was pissing on the members i wouldn't be there ! With the point of view of a music fan, the new Jamiro still better than actual music, but as a fan of Jamiroquai i think they forgot what the band is about since years.. but they could get closer of it.
EDIT : By reading again my message i realize that "Jay have to find real musicians" was really too much. Sorry for this, it was very haughty from me and i had a behaviour of hypocrite. (but i assume all the rest) |
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iranterres
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 02:55 |
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Curry your post is highly complementary to mine and I would like to thank you for that one and I do agree with you.
There is no drama, no sadness, no complain, Lately I have been just doing a very intimate analysis of jamiroquai and expressed that.
@Honeybee: somehow you keep me motivated to post, I can bring you more you'd want to know 
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 04:06 |
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iranterres -what? you never agree with me! I'm just the type to keep coming back for more I guess. (or maybe I think I'll get the last word in.) I think there is always truths, but we just see different sides of the same discussion. (and funny I don't disagree with Curry.)
iranterres -I had to see your choice on what a great band was. So you picked a great band, (Queen -one I think is fabulous) Had you picked R.E.M., I'd just run!!
@ElTouffoDrum I think it's really great you're 16 and already into Jamiroquai. I think Rob Harris is a fantastic guitarist, with or w/o Jami. He's got some famous guitar licks, you may not even realize are his.
@Curry -Marvin Gaye's last album was celebrated while he was alive. "Sexual Healing" charted #1 on R&B Billboard (US). I remember it on the radio
I know what you mean about artists as being celebrated posthumously. But let's not go there yet!! and Santana is legend, he doesn't need anybody's opinion.
Jamiroquai is a hierarchy. Probably like most bands. If the musicians are hired, they should work together and not bite the hand that feeds them! and certainly each artist's music can't all be your favorites! Some you like better than other works.
And you can't stay in stagnant waters, or else it gets polluted.
Happy Valentine's Day btw!
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ElTouffoDrum
Joined: 11 May 2013
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Location: France (50)
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| Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 20:07 |
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| HoneyBee wrote: |
@ElTouffoDrum I think it's really great you're 16 and already into Jamiroquai. I think Rob Harris is a fantastic guitarist, with or w/o Jami. He's got some famous guitar licks, you may not even realize are his.
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It's just that Jamiroquai give me sensations that i never knew with any other band... And, when i see that the Jay who sing "Stilness In Time" or "Half The Man" have difficult to sing "White Knuckle Ride" i get embittered and came to write bullsh*ts like i did :p |
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Curry
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 02:46 |
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 , I'll second that Santana comment!  |
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smellbob
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 09:59 |
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Yeah I'm glad people are starting to realize how bad of an album RDLS was.
I swear to god the only good song is Fast Persuader.
I'm not counting the bonus tracks or smile.
But Jay and Derrick and the guys can take as long as they want I'll give them one more chance and if they fuck this album up then Jay has just lost his touch but he still has a place in pop culture history with Virtual Insanity and the rest.
Plus cussing out the x factor judges didn't really help him. Just saying.
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John Doggett
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 15:32 |
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Yeah I'm glad people are starting to realize how bad of an album RDLS was.
I swear to god the only good song is Fast Persuader.
Plus cussing out the x factor judges didn't really help him. Just saying. |
Smelllbob, you never explain WHY you feel so hatred for RDLS ???
Can you give some good case for once ????
The X factor judges are highly stupid. I was glad to heard JK cussing them: he said the truth !
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Curry
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 17:55 |
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| smellbob wrote: |
Yeah I'm glad people are starting to realize how bad of an album RDLS was.
I swear to god the only good song is Fast Persuader.
I'm not counting the bonus tracks or smile.
But Jay and Derrick and the guys can take as long as they want I'll give them one more chance and if they fuck this album up then Jay has just lost his touch but he still has a place in pop culture history with Virtual Insanity and the rest.
Plus cussing out the x factor judges didn't really help him. Just saying. |
I liked the album and Smile. I wasn't fond of the bonus tracks at all. |
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ophone
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 22:35 |
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Anyway, they'll never reach the quality of the first 2 albums again.
Those were fresh, innovating and inspiring.
The 3rd and 4th weren't bad, but far more commercial.
The 5th was a total rupture to their usual style.
The 6th was the worst so far.
Luckily the last one sounds more organic than its predecessor.
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Curry
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:35 |
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Anyway, they'll never reach the quality of the first 2 albums again.
Those were fresh, innovating and inspiring.
The 3rd and 4th weren't bad, but far more commercial.
The 5th was a total rupture to their usual style.
The 6th was the worst so far.
Luckily the last one sounds more organic than its predecessor. |
The PC movement was also far different from what we have now. So you have to add culture into that.
For some reason the need for public awareness in songs today aren't as meaningful with people.
So can we blame people for not wanting to be aware of something? Can we blame people for wanting to be lemmings?
I get the first two albums...they were great. Heck, Jay even said that Sony wanted him to stop doing those types of songs because they're not as marketable. I see this happening with a lot of bands who are starting out. Their first one is a mega success and true to who they are and then as they get into the business more, it's the industry that wants them to change.
So who do we actually blame here? |
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ophone
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 18:19 |
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| Curry wrote: |
| So who do we actually blame here? |
Clearly the band! It's not the record company which makes the music.
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iranterres
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 19:53 |
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| Curry wrote: |
So who do we actually blame here? |
The lunatic called Jason Cheetham.
You have a band, a good band, you record a couple of great albums, they sell a lot, and then you become a successful household name, then your label presses you over the direction you should take. But you have the money.
Leave the label and go independent, simple as that.
Bands like R.E.M (not that I like them), did this and continued the success afterwards.
But you know, things are not the same for everyone...
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