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iranterres
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 Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 02:24 |
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| Dye wrote: |
At the end of the day, it just feels like people talking s*it about the band just because they're bored and it's free.
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@Javis @Dye: It's the people's opinion that really matters in the end. The same people who buy the albums or attend gigs, so it matters as much as yours.
So... They're in their own right to come to these forums to post here about their thoughts in respectful manners.
The topic was created over a clear and working panorama and people are free to discuss about it, and they were reasonable and respectful so far, then please, if you're annoyed, don't post things like that pretending you're above us at any kind of argument or related discussion, or simple don't come at all, but please DO some respect.
Now personally I don't even hold Jamiroquai as a best band or any of the sort, I just created this topic because of MY personal opinion and MY personal thought, and since more people felt free to agree or disagree, that already made me happy because these forums were plain dead... deal with it or simply not.
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Dye
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 02:40 |
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I wasn't disrespectful with anybody. I've been here for many years and people know that isn't how I communicate in this forums. If I came across as rude, I sincerely apologize since that wasn't my intention.
That being said, I'm just annoyed at the fact that, while I understand the forums are dead, to come with this topic yet again discussing the same things we've been discussing for years, is a little depressing and repetitive and, to be honest, I don't think it's a conversation that leads somewhere.
For example, your initial post says this:
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| Jay has got up himself all over his mind and we don't see anything refreshing since AFO, WTF. Just look what they did the last album... The best songs did't even make it as released singles... Seriously... |
Is just feels like an invitation to rant about the band, rather than respecfully and seriously discussing stuff in terms of quality. The overall feel of the post is plain negative. And that is why I'm talking against this whole 'bad/good' 'best/worst' which are such simplistic terms that doesn't excite me enough to be part of the conversation. Ok, here I am, but just because I feel you're being unfair to the band, the music, and the entire context in which they're making music.
Like I said in my first post here, there's a lot to consider, given that this decade has been very different when it comes to marketing strategies, sales, even what people is listening to. So it's a little deeper than that, I think. |
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Curry
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 08:12 |
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You make it sound like Jay doesn't think or come up with any plans when coming out with an album.
Look, his job is to get RDLS, or any other album, together. He's been pushing that for the past 20 years. Give the man his credit. You can't stay in the industry that long without any notable promise or technique. And if he and his band members can do Smile in one take, then that more than sets the tone of how cohesive these guys are.
Everyone wants to know the whole story on the 'hows' and 'whys,' yet you only know what they tell you. So for that I'd say "who cares."
RDLS is a very solid album, something I really enjoyed listening to and something I believed was simply not marketed right. From start to finish, it had promises of hitting big, but it pretty much came out flat. So you can't lump the marketing in with the actual quality of the album. One does not equal the other.
Think of it this way, not all awesome actors, excellent movies, or films get the Oscars or the established accolades they deserve. To overlook the quality of the work just because it lacked the proper backing means that the viewer or listener lacked the incentive to check it out on their own and make up their own mind about it.
That true quality has always rested within the hearts of fans or any other interested party. Not the commercials, album bios, awards, or the opinions of some paid critics. It's always been just you, me, or anyone else who's got the heart to give it a listen out of a genuine interest. |
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 06:44 |
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@iranterres -haha you like my last lines?!
I didn't really know Daft Punk or really care until "Get Lucky".
I think part of the success in 2013 (song of the year here) was the French guys, Pharell, and Nile Rodgers' chemistry . Plus the promotion. Plus Luck. (or maybe just that guitar lick)
I could see me listening to that tune that nobody else knows, thinking if only it was on the radio! Because some fabulous bands get shelved, and others that are crap, get airplay.
Dye isn't rude, iranterres is just a firestarter!
but it gets us thinking, I think. |
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iranterres
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 22:44 |
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| HoneyBee wrote: |
@iranterres -haha you like my last lines?!
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Yes ma'am!
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Dye isn't rude, iranterres is just a firestarter!
but it gets us thinking, I think. |
Yeah and I mostly agree with you and Dye in many terms, but I just won't stand with arrogancy. 
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Curry
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 05:01 |
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I didn't really know Daft Punk or really care until "Get Lucky". |
 Seriously!?!
Honey....where have you been!?!
Say it ain't so!
Discovery was definitely one of my favorite albums! 
I think main reason why Daft Punk came out on top is because they're very popular here. They've always been known to be progressively artistic as well as catchy. They're always working with other musicians. So even though I'm one who thinks Pharell can't sing for crap live, the mix of Nile, Pharell, and Daft Punk working together just added another notch to their masterful worksmanship as musicians.
Anyway, that's enough about Daft Punk. lol |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 06:25 |
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I don't have time to read through this whole thread right now, but let's not forget that the last thing they gave us from the studio was in fact Smile, and that's a pretty damn good song if you ask me...
There's a saying "you're only as good as your last performance". If this is true, I believe we owe the band the benefit of doubt that the next album will be a good one. Plus, they still never fail to put on a stellar live gig which is never boring (unless you go to every one in the vain hope you'll maybe hear something radically different in one of them - then you'll probably experience a little disappointment).
Apologies if this exact point has been made in one of the previous posts...
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 05:09 |
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I don't have time to even read all of my posts!
But Andrew that's a fabulous saying ""you're only as good as your last performance".
And hell, your are as good as any performance I love.
"Smile" really is a great tune, and should be on the next album.
Maybe with a yellow Smiley face Buffaloman!!
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Shocked Seriously!?!
Honey....where have you been!?! Shocked
Say it ain't so! |
True. Just not on my radio or radar, I guess.
But now I know Daft Punk, thanks to Nile Rodgers and Pharell Williams  |
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iranterres
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 23:31 |
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I like more Blue Skies than Smile, I don't know why, sounds deeper I think...
But hell yeah, Daft Punk was so good at Discovery, maybe tried to go conceptual on Human After All, but redeemed on Random Access Memories.
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smellbob
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:51 |
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yeah I noticed all the good songs, "Radio", "Smile", "Shoot The Moon", "Midnight Funk". Have never been on albums.
I think maybe he does better with singles. I even think Jay said that he was gonna release singles from now on, so hopefully he still ends up doing that because these album releases aren't doing so well.
But I love Jamiro and I agree with what Javis said. Listen to other artists. This isn't what people are into. People are into electronic dance music now.
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ragadoodles
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 14:45 |
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| People are into electronic dance music now. |
I did not like this as it was hip for the first time......looooong time ago in the 80th.
So I'll dig into the musical treasures that I have collected over the last 40 years, go back to my beloved jazz and hope for better times.
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 17:29 |
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smellbob wrote:
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| yeah I noticed all the good songs, "Radio", "Smile", "Shoot The Moon", "Midnight Funk". Have never been on albums. |
maybe you like them cuz they are stragglers w/o a real home.
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I like more Blue Skies than Smile, I don't know why, sounds deeper I think... |
"Blue Skies" is a safe, pop song. I actually think it should end sooner, without all the reprises.
For me, "Smile" is a perfect feel-good song.
But I'd like to see some more in-depth Soul for their next album. Dig deep down into the pain or happiness.
I think Jamiroquai gloss over their depth a bit. But that's what gives them somewhat of a professional or optimistic production. |
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Dye
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Rock Dust Light Star was supposed to be reminiscent of the funk-rock from late 70's, early 80's like Roxy Music. And I really think the album sounds different sometimes (in a good way), but still has their own trademark spin with the sound.
I really think they should attempt something bigger, a conceptual or even a double album with lots of instrumentals, and maybe an overall theme to carry over the entire thing.
I see space/planets/galaxies/Earth associated with the band and I always thought they could be very good at something like that (kinda what Dexter Wansel did, on a much smaller scale, with the Life On Mars album). |
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iranterres
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 22:18 |
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I miss so much the instrumentals...
I remember The band tried to make AFO conceptual somehow, at least on the test pressing, but didn't Sony halt them? That was very bad from Sony.
I agree, hell yeah, they are consolidated enough to try and risk stuff. How I wish any of the examples before could happen, no matter what the result.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 16:08 |
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| Dye wrote: |
I really think they should attempt something bigger, a conceptual or even a double album with lots of instrumentals, and maybe an overall theme to carry over the entire thing.
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I totally agree!
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