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jgrizz
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Yes, and it makes sense that probably is one of the factors for why he left.
I wonder about that too, if he was still in the band, what it would sound like. |
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eviltimeban
Joined: 02 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 16:56 |
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Hearing a bunch of session musicians play jazz /funk is probably the least appealing thing for me right now. Hearing the original guys do it was different, as they were young, cool sort of hippy dudes in crusty-style clothes and big hats and so on. That was a very specific look in the early 90s, and they matched it with a retro 70s funk vibe. It worked.
Seeing a bunch of guys in boot cut jeans and check shirts trying to do the same doesn't really cut it. Hopefully now "Jamiroquai" will essentially just be a solo project for JK and not a "band".
Stuart, Toby, et al were artists, real musicians who were interesting and could write. OK, I know Derrick is still in the band but he's just the drummer!  The 4 of them (including Nick Van G) getting together was a match made in heaven, perfect for the time and the style of EOPE, people were also becoming more concerned about "the environment", the lyrics were relevant, and he gave good interview in those days.
But then unfortunately JK became a bit of a joke, how can this hippy guy also drive like 20 Ferraris? So he had to change the style of the lyrics and ultimately the music became more commercially driven, it's zenith reached at TWM.
That's where "Jamiroquai", the band, ended. Sure, we had two more albums with other bass players, but the vibe must've been missing if Toby chose to leave after AFO - their last good album. That was 16 years ago.
Hopefully Automaton (if that is the album name) is a reflection on all of this and it's Jay with a good producer doing some modern sounding music, with his usual influences thrown in, using the "band" where he needs them.
Unless the original band reforms, there'll never be a return to the jazz / funk / soul / latin sound of the first albums. Plus, that kind of music doesn't really have much stock now, unlike in the early 90s. No one is interested in it. So even if they did reform, it probably wouldn't sound like EOPE.
As someone else mentioned, there's plenty of bands from that time and now doing that kind of music if you want it - Gerd, Incognito, Brand New Heavies, etc. |
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 18:22 |
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eviltimeban wrote:
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| Stuart, Toby, et al were artists, real musicians who were interesting and could write. OK, I know Derrick is still in the band but he's just the drummer! Very Happy |
Just the Drummer? the drummer holds everything together! Derrick doesn't get enough credit, he's very good!  The drummer can be very complex Neil Peart or as simple as Meg White. They set the agenda. (Derrick leans more toward Neil Peart!!)
Toby & Stuart have probably changed too. I don't think they are still stuck in that EOPE style. Everybody changes. The "session" musicians that play in Jamiroquai today are songwriters in their own right. Rob & Paul have different projects outside of Jamiroquai and are very good musicians! |
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SkillipEvolver
Joined: 08 Aug 2016
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 18:31 |
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| eviltimeban wrote: |
| Hearing a bunch of session musicians play jazz /funk is probably the least appealing thing for me right now. Hearing the original guys do it was different, as they were young, cool sort of hippy dudes in crusty-style clothes and big hats and so on. That was a very specific look in the early 90s, and they matched it with a retro 70s funk vibe. It worked. |
Fair.
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Seeing a bunch of guys in boot cut jeans and check shirts trying to do the same doesn't really cut it. Hopefully now "Jamiroquai" will essentially just be a solo project for JK and not a "band". |
This is all a bit heavy... They (modern band) are regular dudes who are good musicians... what they wear is irrelevant, more so considering the pretty normal casual clothing they've all worn on stage for the past 10years or more. And in those years, it's still been Kay who's the icon. I get your point about the rootsy appeal though, different times culturally I think we'd all agree.
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Stuart, Toby, et al were artists, real musicians who were interesting and could write. OK, I know Derrick is still in the band but he's just the drummer! The 4 of them (including Nick Van G) getting together was a match made in heaven, perfect for the time and the style of EOPE, people were also becoming more concerned about "the environment", the lyrics were relevant, and he gave good interview in those days.
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Drummer jokes are cruel! I know it was a joke
I think it's pretty cool derricks been in so long. I think I read somewhere he worked waitrose/m&s somewhere before landing his spot? It CAN happen! Go Derrick!
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But then unfortunately JK became a bit of a joke, how can this hippy guy also drive like 20 Ferraris? So he had to change the style of the lyrics and ultimately the music became more commercially driven, it's zenith reached at TWM. |
Money changes ppl, no doubt. But I still enjoyed TWM and AFO very much even compared to EOPE, ROTSC.
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| That's where "Jamiroquai", the band, ended. Sure, we had two more albums with other bass players, but the vibe must've been missing if Toby chose to leave after AFO - their last good album. That was 16 years ago. |
Not sure about that, I have no idea why he left. In interviews that I've watched,.. He's always seemed pretty quietly confident... Maybe he just felt his playing was more useful elsewhere? I honestly don't know. Interesting,y, there was a YouTube clip posted last year interviewing Toby where he talks in retrospect about the sound of keys back in the jamiroquai days. I'll try and link it here. EDIT: Christ! It was 3 years ago! FML!
https://youtu.be/qQxfZhGIifA
Other random thoughts:
- jay has mentioned daft punk in a couple places over last few years. Naturally you would say. While I don't dislike daft punk (they're obviously very good), I liked the, more when it wasn't 'get lucky' and other slightly miserable tracks they did lately. 'Game of love ' ugh bit depressing! Just my opinion.
- the sound: a whole topic in itself, but I'm with most ppl here in saying, 'impossible to judge from 20second clip'.
- jay in ironman-(sortof) outfit should keep Mel of melsjaykaypics happy!
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Lua
Joined: 03 Mar 2012
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Location: Brazil
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 18:34 |
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| eviltimeban wrote: |
| Hopefully now "Jamiroquai" will essentially just be a solo project for JK and not a "band". |
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| Stuart, Toby, et al were artists, real musicians who were interesting and could write. OK, I know Derrick is still in the band but he's just the drummer! |
It's funny because I've seen so many comments like this about Jamiroquai being just "Jay Kay's band" as if it was something negative, but then I read that Derrick is "just the drummer". For me it sounds sooo contradicting... and what about Sola? He's not even mentioned, but who cares about percussion?
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is that people love to criticize and point the finger but doesn't even know what/who they're talking about. Saying musicians are not "real musicians" is so pretentious.
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| But then unfortunately JK became a bit of a joke, how can this hippy guy also drive like 20 Ferraris? So he had to change the style of the lyrics and ultimately the music became more commercially driven, it's zenith reached at TWM. |
I don't think he was a hippie. It's just that you can not drive 20 Ferraris when you're poor... even if you want to. And I don't see much difference in the lyrics content till AFO. But that's kind of normal because people have feelings and those feelings might influence on their music.
Besides, since the beggining Jamiroquai had some sort of futuristic style, just watch the EOPE video, take a look at the TROTSC cd artwork. And is actually quite interesting to think about nature x technology. It's exactly the conflict we live in this planet.
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Trolll
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 18:50 |
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Hmmm, maybe let's not start discussing all this -again-? Or open another thread for this never-ending debate Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the focus should rather be on the forthcoming album.
Regarding the video, I totally share the Daft / Tron / Stranger things opinions. I'm really in the mood "Let's see how this all turns out". As others have pointed, "Feels just like it should" was not representative of what Dynamite sounded like.
These 20 seconds of "Automaton" can hardly showcase what the album will be like (and, hopefully, it will be much more than just that).
Regarding the hat, I think it looks pretty odd (and useless) when the "spikes" are not out, but there's material to do cool things with the lights, for sure! |
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Lua
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Location: Brazil
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 18:52 |
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| SkillipEvolver wrote: |
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Stuart, Toby, et al were artists, real musicians who were interesting and could write. OK, I know Derrick is still in the band but he's just the drummer! The 4 of them (including Nick Van G) getting together was a match made in heaven, perfect for the time and the style of EOPE, people were also becoming more concerned about "the environment", the lyrics were relevant, and he gave good interview in those days.
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Drummer jokes are cruel! I know it was a joke
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Sorry, eviltimeban. I didn't realize it was a joke when I wrote my first post =x
But I won't change my words because I believe that some people really think that way... Which is sad.
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Earni
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 22:21 |
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Yeah, finally some new music from jamiroquai, the wait is over!! But from hearing that 20 second snippet I'm not really sure if i like it or not. On one hand I kinda like that electronic sound from them, like AFO for example, but on the other hand I think so far it doesn't have that typical jmq vibe to it, i'm a bit worried that it's a bit too electronic. But I also think that this little snippet doesn't stand for the whole album, so we have to wait to hear more tracks before deciding if we like it or not
For now it's great and exciting to hear jays voice on a new track again after 6 years or so. And seeing this video, although it's short, i looks like it was made really professional, it almost looks like it's been taken from a movie or something like that  . So i'm really looking forward to the next months, I am sure there will be some great things still to come!
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iranterres
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 22:52 |
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I really don't mind about the electro vibe of that teaser, but it does not feel original to me. Hoping for a diverse album, if it happens to sound like that The whole album, then we have a bomb... 
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 22:52 |
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So, it looks like the oldies are coming back to this forum!
After 6 years and almost on the release of 'Automaton', here I am again.
I still have no opinion in what I heard/album name, so I'll wait to listen it all and say what I think. I agree with JGrizz (btw, hi bro), this a different band and we can't expect the stuff the original band made.
Can't wait to listen the album.
Cheers to everyone who still reminds me!
Ed!
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Dye
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 23:02 |
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Even if it isn't the same band, Jay is still the one calling the shots on what he wants to hear and what musical direction to take. If he wanted to do a jazz/funk album like the early days, I'm pretty sure the current bandmembers are more than capable of doing so. |
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Javis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 01:26 |
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| Dye wrote: |
| Even if it isn't the same band, Jay is still the one calling the shots on what he wants to hear and what musical direction to take. If he wanted to do a jazz/funk album like the early days, I'm pretty sure the current bandmembers are more than capable of doing so. |
Totally agree |
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Curry
Joined: 19 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 03:34 |
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| Hmmm, maybe let's not start discussing all this -again-? Or open another thread for this never-ending debate Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the focus should rather be on the forthcoming album. |
Just make it a drinking game. It's a total win!
Take a shot when someone mentions how they changed since Stu and Toby left.
Take a shot when someone mentions the EOPE Jamiroquai or the AFO Jamiroquai.
Take a shot when someone mentions how crappy RDLS was.
Take a shot when someone refers to the current lineup as session musicians.
Take an extra shot when someone disses Paul in favor of Stu.
Take a shot when someone tries to uncover the mystery of Jamiroquai's music direction/style.
Take a shot when someone mentions how much Jay changed like he betrayed the Earth and his proactive audience (circa '92) in favor of driving 20 cars.
Perhaps by the time the debate is done, you'll be so drunk that you'll passout and won't wake up till the album is out or it's time for you to go to one of their concerts.  |
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robotscantadlib
Joined: 28 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 04:07 |
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| Curry wrote: |
| Trolll wrote: |
| Hmmm, maybe let's not start discussing all this -again-? Or open another thread for this never-ending debate Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the focus should rather be on the forthcoming album. |
Just make it a drinking game. It's a total win!
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This is a deadly (useful) game. Can people who want to nostalgize and whine about the changes to the band for the 30000th time do so elsewhere?..Though I am guilty of this, to a degree.
This thread is about the new album. Change opens the band to a new generation of fans, plus it'd be boring if they did the same stuff over and over. Anyway, they're trending on Facebook and I've seen articles on other sites - proper promotion this time. Exciting time to be a Jamiroquai fan. |
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Adidas2076
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 04:26 |
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