| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
jamfan2005
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Posts: 332
|
 Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 22:45 |
 |
|
| Javis wrote: |
Ok, just listened to Nice and Spicy, and my opinion is that it should have been in the album instead of We Can Do It, and it would have rounded up the album better 
I really liked the song |
Why all of the hate for We Can Do It??? I've seen multiple posts passing on it, or giving it super low numbers (0/10).
I personally find it to be a much groovier track than Superfresh. But I suppose that one man's trash is another's treasure. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Javis
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 1530
Location: Córdoba, Argentina
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 22:48 |
|
|
I guess it's just to repetitive. that's what bothers me most of it, but I recognize it's probably between the most original songs of the album |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Javis
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 1530
Location: Córdoba, Argentina
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 22:56 |
|
|
| robotscantadlib wrote: |
For me, the issue is that the new Jamiroquai sound lacks any sense of subtlety. There's nothing new for you to discover after listening to the song a bunch of times, whereas the early albums had a lot of interesting little details. Everything grooved and fit together in a very unique way and they had a unique sonic signature. It's a little more straightforward now.
|
This is completely true, first albums were more jazzy, but they struggled to take the band to a wider audience. It wasn't until Jay realized they needed to keep it simple (with TWM) that the band got globally successful. It's been long since Jay changed the direction, but they still managed to make albums I liked, and somehow, no other band was able to make albums I liked the way I like Jamiroquai's. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robotscantadlib
Joined: 28 May 2005
Posts: 242
Location: san francisco
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 23:31 |
|
|
I think TWM, Synkronized, and AFO have these little touches. I give credit to Toby. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vincenzo89
Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Posts: 360
Location: Naples, Italy
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 23:47 |
|
|
| Javis wrote: |
Ok, just listened to Nice and Spicy, and my opinion is that it should have been in the album instead of We Can Do It, and it would have rounded up the album better
I really liked the song |
I know it's a matter of personal taste, but i'm in love with this song despite its simplicity
Instead I just can not listen Superfresh I think is due to the fact that this song does not give me any feeling |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
FunkyVibes
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
Posts: 364
Location: Eugene, Oregon
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 07:17 |
|
|
| Javis wrote: |
| robotscantadlib wrote: |
For me, the issue is that the new Jamiroquai sound lacks any sense of subtlety. There's nothing new for you to discover after listening to the song a bunch of times, whereas the early albums had a lot of interesting little details. Everything grooved and fit together in a very unique way and they had a unique sonic signature. It's a little more straightforward now.
|
This is completely true, first albums were more jazzy, but they struggled to take the band to a wider audience. It wasn't until Jay realized they needed to keep it simple (with TWM) that the band got globally successful. It's been long since Jay changed the direction, but they still managed to make albums I liked, and somehow, no other band was able to make albums I liked the way I like Jamiroquai's. |
I credit a lot of that to the keyboard parts Toby layered on many tracks. But it's important to give credit to the band as a whole. The sound clearly changed when Zender left. Each person brought their own unique sensibilities to the instruments played, and they all essentially started together as a true band and developed together. DJ Katz added a lot of little touches and I feel like that's something missing from the band after he left.
I don't mean to riff on Matt Johnson when I say he doesn't compare to Toby. I just don't think he's on the same level. And many of the things he does leave me confused. Like the weird sound samples added to many tracks. I think Automaton is a decent album. None of the tracks make me stop and go WOW though. This album veers dangerously close to that easy listening elevator muzak territory. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Curry
Joined: 19 Mar 2013
Posts: 184
Location: Arizona, USA
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 07:28 |
|
|
| FunkyVibes wrote: |
I credit a lot of that to the keyboard parts Toby layered on many tracks. But it's important to give credit to the band as a whole. The sound clearly changed when Zender left. Each person brought their own unique sensibilities to the instruments played, and they all essentially started together as a true band and developed together. DJ Katz added a lot of little touches and I feel like that's something missing from the band after he left.
I don't mean to riff on Matt Johnson when I say he doesn't compare to Toby. I just don't think he's on the same level. And many of the things he does leave me confused. Like the weird sound samples added to many tracks. I think Automaton is a decent album. None of the tracks make me stop and go WOW though. This album veers dangerously close to that easy listening elevator muzak territory. |
Eh. Why should any of them be on the same level as their predecessors? Wouldn't they be copycats and thus lending to the same sound and production as the previous albums?
This just circles around to the point that they probably wouldn't have gained the audience they have now if they hadn't changed gears. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jamirokaki
Expert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 3472
Location: basque country
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 13:24 |
|
|
| FunkyVibes wrote: |
| This album veers dangerously close to that easy listening elevator muzak territory. |
as I said before it is a very nice album to listen to...but only if it's put as a background music for anything else you are doing. Every new careful listening I'm giving to it (4 or 5 times already) is getting worse.
I think the ONLY song that really worth it is vitamin, and it would be much better it was an instrumental track...
_________________
***STONED AGAIN*** |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Golomeen
Joined: 08 Feb 2014
Posts: 12
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 13:45 |
|
|
Guys why do you prefer this Vitamin?
It's a lazy self-citing from worst melodies of Synkronized, really a filler song.
Girl you know I wanna get it through
Gonna keep the flow = Of my broken shell (Little L)
I don't need no vitamin = If only we can make it right (Planet home)
Superfresh vs We can do it, I give a win to the last.
Last edited by Golomeen on Mon Apr 03, 2017 15:50; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dye
Correspondent & Expert
Joined: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 5146
Location: Planet Home; Buenos Aires, Argentina
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 14:43 |
|
|
I agree that lyrically is nowhere near his best stuff, but it is a party record first and foremost. It is meant to be danceable, to put yourself in a good mood and just tap your feet and nod your head. In that regard I think the album is flawless.
He can still create powerful lyrics with strong content (Automaton being the obvious one). So he clearly doesn't want to. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
robotscantadlib
Joined: 28 May 2005
Posts: 242
Location: san francisco
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 16:11 |
|
|
The feel, excitement, and message of Vitamin are more important than the lyrics. The lyrics are (sadly) amongst the best on the album, imo. Side note: this is the first time I wished several songs were instrumentals - Summer Girl, Nights Out In The Jungle, Carla. We Can Do It shouldn't have been included...anyway...
Vitamin is as close as they'll get to the Synkronized sound these days. There are some really cool touches too - the harmonies on "get some funkin' love in your life" are interesting and the "you know I wanna get it through/is this what sweet lovers have to choose?" is very Roy Ayers. The "You've got that magic touch" part is quite similar to something Aquarian Dream did in "You're A Star." I wish the album ended right there.
On the Matt/Toby thing, why wouldn't we want someone on the same level or better? That doesn't make a lot of sense. He's an inferior live player, producer, and songwriter, and it shows in the songs. If there was only one album after AFO and it had the best of Dynamite, RDLS, and Automaton, I probably would feel a bit different. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sharpy
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Posts: 45
Location: United Kingdom
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mr.az
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
Posts: 2421
Location: rallying
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 18:03 |
|
|
remember maybe only automaton-the song-is the most ethical, or political song maybe because jay in all those years saw the world and he realize that even making political songs, he can't change anything...
about music style, the whole band even with changes always have a jazzy style and 70's funk, so don't worry
_________________
Only a fool can walk away from me this time
TWM=RDLS
AFO=AUTOMATON |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
alyd
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
Posts: 203
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 19:26 |
|
|
When the High Times compilation came out with that image on the cover and the single Runaway, I wasn't worried, I knew that was all about him finishing with Sony, even though it looked like it was drawing a line under Jamiroquai - it was just the end of that phase.
And sure enough along came RDLS in the same time there had been between AFO and Dynamite.
But this time, I really did begin to think that the band were finished. I wish I'd known he was busy having a family but was working on things, as I so thought RDLS was the end.
So aside from all the positive things I've been saying about Automaton, the most important thing I think is that they're back and it's successful. As it means we have more to come in future  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kellte2
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 110
Location: Washington, DC
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 19:30 |
|
|
One of the underrated aspects of the album is the use of the vintage analog equipment. When critically listening to the songs through resolving headphones or speakers, the organic nature of the sound quality is clear. It's a very beautifully produced album, whether you like the lyrics or not, and to me, stands head and shoulders over the band's past two outings.
For this reason, I disagree that the album lacks the details found in the classic LPs. There's plenty to find in the background.
This is the best post-Toby effort, in terms of musicality. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Editorial
Search
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Private messages
Log in
