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PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 676

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 04:51

Does Jay REALLY care for the environment/poorer people? hey fellers. this is a question that a friend asked me last week about Jay. in Jay's first album, Jay talks about how he couldnt imagine what the world would be like in 10 years (said in the EOPE album insert) and that if we all gave as much as we do to the Government as we do to Oxfam, greenpeace etc., the world would be a better place. he also talks about greed of the rich man etc. AND LOOK AT HIM NOW?!?!?! look as much as i love the music, i dont like Jay anymore. he originally (in EOPE) had a stance about the destruction of earth, and now, he owns a hugs car collection (car's dont really damage the earth too much ey? they only cause global warming!). he talks about giving to Greenpeace etc., and now he is one of the richest (British) singers ever! would he give any of his earnings? Probably not! he drinks, he smokes, he abuses his own body in this way. would Jay do a remake of Live Aid? would he be the new Sir Bob Geldof? I think that all of this richness has gotten to Jason. he's a street kid who now has a huge fortune and has disbanded from his original morals and is now becoming a bit above himself. i dont know whether you guys agree with this or not; if not or you do agree with it, then please post.

FunkEducation

Joined: 15 Jul 2004
Posts: 3309
Location: Maracay, Venezuela

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 05:31

Hey Chocko, i really... completely agree with you... another thing has changed a lot is, do you remember the lyrics of the first two albums??? Scam, When you gonna learn, Too young to die, Revolution 1993.... and now Jay's singing about love... and i'm not saying it isn't good... but the way Jay used to write has changed a lot... AND... plus we hav the music style... i cry when i listen to the didgeridoo in When you gonna learn, and i'm so sad when i'm listening full-computer-songs.... and his new Rocky 'Black Devil Car'... so, i wanna say with this, that Jay Kay has changed all the original tendencies, even, i won't like his new way to dressing.... like the 2003 Fashion Rocks... yuuck Evil or Very Mad

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I think this guy has changed his original point of view of the things...

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he also talks about greed of the rich man

That's it!!! Money!!! on the beginins of jamiroquai jay haven't too much money, and now Jay's a senior with a monopoly on his hands... that's the difference, first Jay was a very simple man, with his old white car and his hat, and some pounds in his pocket... now he's the guy with a lot of cars... a 500 years old mansion and a lot of money... he love's to drug himself, smoke, drink like a mad... what is this man doing?? if you read the EOPE booklet you will cry with his comments... now... The guy is very different!!! Why?? I suppose Fame and Money!!!!

First he talked about the green paper, do you remember??, he called the money green paper that destroys families... and the man.... and now he's full of it... he talked about the way we are going, our destruction, kids dying, animals dying, wars, experiments.... and now he don't care about that....

Well party people, you hav seen my long explanation... if you're not agree with me... call me!! and we can talk... I agree with Choko! nice comments man!! Wink

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Catman

Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 1737

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 05:59

yeh man... totally agree-able.... but there is also alot we dont see>? he might be doin it just not in the eye of the public? who knowz ... we must ask him next when we see him! "Operation Jay Enviromentally Evil or Pro Hippy" lol but yer... hmm

FRA
Jamily Coach & Correspondent

Joined: 07 Aug 2004
Posts: 5477
Location: London don

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 06:56

....well, more or less, i think the same as u....Mr. Jay, nowadays, is contradicting himself just a bit hard.... i'm crying, too, when i listen to EOPE....the sound of peace, of love, of good vibes......I want again that JMQ....see: even his clothing way has changed....now: Prada, Burberry, Ralph Lauren......Globalization all around...... _________________ http://www.myspace.com/frajamiroquaiaddicted www.jamitaly.altervista.org

PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 676

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:03

FRA wrote:

......Globalization all around...... Rolling Eyes

well globalization did exist 12 years ago.

GET THIS:

you have to set an example to the world. when you say you want people to donate, you do so too, then others will follow.

There is no use in Jay blowing his trumpet and saying "donate to these fellas" and not publicly show that you are doing so too.

Okay, i dont mean that JMQ sends out a press release that Jay donated his change after filling up the Lambo to Oxfam; I mean just saying in an interview "I give to so and so and it's this percent of my income" and he might give an example of that his donations could buy a Ferrari/Lamborghini/Denise van Outen blow-up doll, etc.

Sir Bobby Geldof did Band Aid and wanted everyone to join in on it. and people did!

think about this: would you donate to Oxfam/Greenpeace, seeing that Jay asked you in EOPE's album cover? almost all would say no.

Jay is a huge hypocrite. some people just hate his guts because he uses publicity to just boast and talk about cars. he hardly ever talks about what he says in the albums, which is really bad.

I really am starting to see why some people hate JMQ.

they hate JMQ because they hate Jay Kay. and they think JMQ is just Jay. they're wrong, but theyre right.

my aunties all hate him, most at school don't care, but they just hate Jay.

Cosmic Girl

Joined: 15 Sep 2003
Posts: 2157
Location: Zürich, Switzerland

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 14:48

I Agree too..... money changes the charakter and the thinking.

muzzander

Joined: 09 Oct 2004
Posts: 132
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 15:09

come on guys..jay is just human.give him a break will ya?...first of all..i like jamiroquai because of their music..not because of what they're fighting for...what are they fighting for anyway?green? peace?oxfam?.. yeah they carry that messages in their old songs..but it all just gimmicks... well he can't just sing all about nothing can't he...at least there must be something controversy or provocative that they must stand with that can attract people since they're making a debut at that time... and environmental issues was big and controversial back in early 90s... so they all just manipulated that issues in order to bring in the cash... after all they lavished all the money to those exotic rides of theirs which ironically contribute to air pollution..not only jay..but the rest of the band(toby own a countach and stuart own a mercedes).. i don't blame jay for not doing any of what he'd sang... he just a street kid who sleeps on the street and suddenly turned out to be some mega superstar... just imagine yourself who having a very struggling life and nobody give a shit about you then suddenly you making it big and everyone adores you... do u really cares about what u'd said and done back then with all the money, fame and power that u have now? it's all politics... u wanna make it big... do anything and everything... good or bad... even if u have to lick your own shit... and i think jay just did whatever he can to be what he is today... after all this forum wouldn't be existed if jay's not being a hypocrite dont u think?.. _________________ Selamat Pagi Dunia

Iron-G

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 15
Location: Geneva (Switzerland)

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 17:26

Well, Jay already reacted about this type of question, I remember an interview I saw on TV a few years ago, the question was something like: Why did you stop writing songs with important messages? and his answer was like: I tried, but people are too dumb... Come on, he's just right! I mean, when Jamiroquai came in early 90's, have we (jamirofans) created movements and associations like hippies ? NO. Did people stop kill innocent animals as we can see in the WYGL video? NO. Have we stopped wars? NO. We enjoyed his music but nobody actively supported his lyrics. One man alone can't change the whole world very easily, only evil people like Hitler can. The reason of his changing is mainly due to people, not him, I won't like to write humanitarian songs if nobody would care about their meaning. He just take advantage of his money he fairly earned. Last edited by Iron-G on Fri Nov 19, 2004 20:51; edited 1 time in total

Mers

Joined: 10 Aug 2003
Posts: 125
Location: Brazil...

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 19:46

Well, first of all, I don't agree with you.... Jay's music is waht he does for a living... Have you ever thought that Sony gave him all that money Because of his music, and lyrics...I mean, think about it, if he hadn't made EOPE and TROTSC, Sony music would not give him money and he wouldn't become rich...It's not entirely his fault that he became a milionaire...but since he did, why not use money on cars, and houses and stuff you know? Talking seriously now, I believe a ferrari is a better investment for him that donating a huge bunch of miney to "The Human Fund", and not being able to use the money he earned... Jay is happy, and that is what matters... If he wants to become who he is, I think we should respect his decision, and a good word of advice is, get used to it, because I sincerely think he's not changing back so soon...[/b] _________________

Dye
Correspondent & Expert

Joined: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 5146
Location: Planet Home; Buenos Aires, Argentina

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 20:55

Hello Jamirotalkers, I've thought about that long time ago: http://www.jamirotalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1319. But about the cars, he said something I agree. He said that is not like he drives all the cars at one time. In fact, is better, because, when he uses one, there are other 9 or 10 cars that nobody is using. (After someone crashed one of them in 1997, nobody else drives his cars). So I think he is right about that. He only uses one car at the time. 'I'm sliding down the wall' D! (diego)

~DeLiRiUm~

Joined: 09 Apr 2004
Posts: 91
Location: Ottawa, Canada

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 04:01

yeah i agree that jay's music has changed. as much as i enjoy listening to jamrioquai's first albums, his other ones arent that bad, yes the message is different but don't you think he changed so that more new fans would get into jamiroquai? like people do have to change to stay in a business, do you think jay would have as many fans now if he was still writting songs about peace and saving the world? even though his music has changed, you gotta give jay credit for trying to keep it real because the music business is a hard one, you are either in it or out, even though jay could stop making music right now, he would be set for the rest of his life. but he's not cause he loves what he does and he's good at it. another thing about the money, if you think about what do most famous people waste it on, booze, drugs and expencive things, thats cause they have the money to spend and theres so much of it. they don't care on how much it is, just as long they have it and thats the way people are, if they want it they'll get it. so don't go saying jay's a bad person cause he spends it on cars and houses and drugs and what not, he's just human, i bet many of you would do the same if you had the same kind of money _________________ That's all she wrote love Nadia.....

Supersonic1

Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Posts: 773
Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 05:17

A very unique conversation.... Jay's music has changed quite a bit over the years, no doubt about it. I also think that Jay himself has changed as well, I mean he went from "headless donkey on acid" (MTV US Interview 1999) to giant British pop star. That being said, it's his money. He earned it, and he can do what he wants with it, whether it's giving to the poor or dropping some dough into a brand new Ferrari. Do I wish he'd go back to the same old stuff? Sometimes, but not as much as what seems to be almost everyone on this site. I joined the Jamiroquai fan base in 2001 off the Funk Odyssey album. I've gone backwards through the catalog, and surprisingly, my favorite album isn't one of the early, acid-jazz styled records; it's Synkronized. Although it didn't make a monster splash, it sounded an evolution. It was a bridge from old to new. And well, folks-trains are meant to travel on bridges to get to the other side, not just stand there in the middle. The point I'm trying to make here is this: Never forget the memories, but realize that you have to keep your feet walking toward the future. Jay has said that he wanted to evolve musically, and that he doesn't make songs like "When You Gonna Learn"-because he's already said what he wanted to say. JK's moved on-it's time we should too. But then again, the train may come back full circle. You never know. _________________ "...I feel that Jamiroquai needs to be taken to another stage now. It really does. Otherwise, I have to be honest, I can see a situation where...there is a possibility that you become lost in the annals of acid jazz history." -- Jason Kay

KMackdaddy1972

Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Posts: 323
Location: Cranston-Rhode Island, USA

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:56

I have to agree with Supersonic. In order for one to survive in the music Biz one must continually evolve. I think Jamiroquai has done that very well because each new album has a taste of last album but also has a newer more experimentive sound. To do that and have continued success is a sign of a truly talented band. Look @ U2...they've changed their sound over the years and they are one of the biggest bands out there and now with their latest album they've gone back to their roots on quite a few songs on the new album. I'm sure we'll have Jamiroquai music coming for 20 + years like we have for U2. _________________ I used to worry about the future But then I threw my caution to the wind..... Peace, KMack

miss sparkles

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 411
Location: In the TARDIS

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 03:39

I read an interview with Jay recently on excactly this topic. I cant remember the site right now, but he was saying things like "People think I dont care for the environment anymore because I have a big house and lots of cars, but do they take any notice of all the money I've donated to Greenpeace? Do they notice how much money Ive spent on restoring the forests? All this in my garden is organic, but they look straight over that." He sounded quite distressed about it really. _________________ Fascist. I < 3 DOCTOR WHO

PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 676

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 05:21

miss sparkles wrote:

I read an interview with Jay recently on excactly this topic. I cant remember the site right now, but he was saying things like "People think I dont care for the environment anymore because I have a big house and lots of cars, but do they take any notice of all the money I've donated to Greenpeace? Do they notice how much money Ive spent on restoring the forests? All this in my garden is organic, but they look straight over that."

He sounded quite distressed about it really.

fair enough miss sparkles, but you never see him showing off his garden!

anyway, i never knew he had an organic garden, that he paid for restoring forests, or that he ever did donate to charities!

he keeps flapping his lips about his car, his house, y'know, material things.

the point is: jay used to be hooked on the environment, but he never talks about the environment like he used to. infact, he doesnt care about it at all now (but that is up for speculation).

he just doesnt care. he doesnt lead by example. he leads by example when it comes to owning fast cars and driving fast in them, but not with the environment!

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