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enano
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i cant agree more with high times... exelent words. i respect the ideas of that people who dont like the sample but they go on desrespect people who do like the song. i am not a teenager (in fact i am 20 years old and i am a medicine student) and i do like the sample..... that was very low .... the exit door is open for the ex-party people who cant accept the ideas of the rest in this forum.
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 22:16 |
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| enano wrote: |
the exit door is open for the ex-party people who cant accept the ideas of the rest in this forum.
just my opinion |
here you are again... and we are not desrespecting another ones ideas... you're mad man... i haven't said something to anyone else here... i hav just said that i don't like the song...
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enano
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 22:38 |
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i was talking to that person who despriciate us calling us "stupid teenagers" just for liking the sample......sorry if i heart you ...reallly sorry. i Know you are just giving your opinion ...thats great i just cant stand more personal offence just because we have faith in jamiro.
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Serge
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 22:52 |
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However, there is still a place for Jamiroquai as they offer something that as yet no other band has. I can't describe precisely what it is... that voice, the bass lines, the keyboards, the guitar but it has always been there and instantly recognisable in the music.
However from the sample of FJLIS I can say with great assurance that it is there no longer and it saddens me |
This is exactly how I feel. When I listened to Jamiroquai, I always felt something special, something that makes you want to play the track again and again. It was unique, original and couldn't be compared to anything in the charts. It told of a certain story or emotions and I could connect with it. However, I can't help but feel that this is disappearing, and at this rate, Jamiroquai might become bland, mainstream and unrecognisable. Sorry, I can't help but feel it. Would you agree with that? What are your comments on that?
Now before you start, this is not just because of the new sample, I've had this feeling already.
BTW, I buy a lot of music over the internet and listen to samples all the time, and can generally form a good opinion of the feel of the track.
I know you keep saying "if you had 14s sample of TZO, you'd think it was crap". Well, TZO was never to be released as a single. FJLIS is, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's meant to be one of the 'better' tracks on the album? You tell me, is that the general trend?
Sparkles, It's simple: I'm not expecting them to stay the same at all, infact I can well accept that they need to change, but if the newer direction doesn't suit me, then it doesn't suit me and hence I can't help but not like it - my opinion.
If you like the track, then that's great and I'm happy for you - there's no disrespect there. If this track is the odd one out from the new album, and the rest of it is to my taste, then all this will be forgotten and I've kicked up a fuss over nothing.
Respect 
Serge
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Lista
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 00:01 |
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| FJLIS is, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's meant to be one of the 'better' tracks on the album? You tell me, is that the general trend? |
No, it simply means that the band thinks that this track has the highest chance of becoming a real hit, which would help them to break through to American market. So, it could very well mean that its the most simple song, whith melody thats easy to remember, and so on.
Basically, you really cant judge the rest of the album based on this song. |
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FunkEducation
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 00:08 |
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| enano wrote: |
i was talking to that person who despriciate us calling us "stupid teenagers" just for liking the sample......sorry if i heart you ...reallly sorry. i Know you are just giving your opinion ...thats great i just cant stand more personal offence just because we have faith in jamiro.
saludos, |
i'm not despreciating you.... i've never said that s**t about "stupid teenagers". i've only said that i don't like the stupid sample....
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However, there is still a place for Jamiroquai as they offer something that as yet no other band has. I can't describe precisely what it is... that voice, the bass lines, the keyboards, the guitar but it has always been there and instantly recognisable in the music.
However from the sample of FJLIS I can say with great assurance that it is there no longer and it saddens me |
This is exactly how I feel. When I listened to Jamiroquai, I always felt something special, something that makes you want to play the track again and again. It was unique, original and couldn't be compared to anything in the charts. It told of a certain story or emotions and I could connect with it. However, I can't help but feel that this is disappearing, and at this rate, Jamiroquai might become bland, mainstream and unrecognisable. Sorry, I can't help but feel it. Would you agree with that? What are your comments on that?
Now before you start, this is not just because of the new sample, I've had this feeling already.
BTW, I buy a lot of music over the internet and listen to samples all the time, and can generally form a good opinion of the feel of the track.
I know you keep saying "if you had 14s sample of TZO, you'd think it was crap". Well, TZO was never to be released as a single. FJLIS is, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's meant to be one of the 'better' tracks on the album? You tell me, is that the general trend?
Sparkles, It's simple: I'm not expecting them to stay the same at all, infact I can well accept that they need to change, but if the newer direction doesn't suit me, then it doesn't suit me and hence I can't help but not like it - my opinion.
If you like the track, then that's great and I'm happy for you - there's no disrespect there. If this track is the odd one out from the new album, and the rest of it is to my taste, then all this will be forgotten and I've kicked up a fuss over nothing.
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Serge |
that's the second quote of the day....
i like your words man.... that's it...
we don't like the sample, and if all of you like it, well, good for you.... that's what i'm trying to say since this morning....
i never wanted to insult nobody here cos i'm not allowed to do that... and even i don't want to... i just don't like the song... that's all...
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funkynic
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 00:53 |
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HEY GUYS PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO SOMETHING....
First of all I think this 14 secs of FJLIS are great... I cuoldn´t really listen to many computerinstruments on this 14 secs... of course there are many ambien sounds made bye computer....
Now, we must pay attention to something before we criticise this single... I mean this is the song JMQ will use to promote the album, shurely there´ll be better songs in the album than FJLIS, we all know it, and to know this great song is going to be the first single makes me feel happy, cos I know the rest of DYNAMITE will be much better!!! 
At least that´s my opinion...
I´d like to know what you think about it
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funkynic
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 01:11 |
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| Lista wrote: |
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| FJLIS is, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's meant to be one of the 'better' tracks on the album? You tell me, is that the general trend? |
No, it simply means that the band thinks that this track has the highest chance of becoming a real hit, which would help them to break through to American market. So, it could very well mean that its the most simple song, whith melody thats easy to remember, and so on.
Basically, you really cant judge the rest of the album based on this song. |
Of course not man, for example in the seccond album the singles released were Space Cowboy, Light Years and Half the man, but even though they are all great songs, there are much grater songs in a musical level for example The kids, Scam, Just anothes story or any other...
Even though all of the tracks mentioned before are great , some of them have this special thing which make it a track that everone likes (more comercial tracks to say it in other way)... eaven those people who are not as fans as we are.
That´s what I ment to say in my previous post about FJLIS maybe it´s not one of the best tracks of the album, but yes one of the most comercial in it....
Listen to any other opinions!
Good Luck
NICK!
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Nico Rossi
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 01:46 |
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| You cant judge it like this, there is only 14 seconds of it. |
You can really - the synkronized samples done with Zender sound amazing, just think what the full length songs would've sounded like...
Ok, the FJLIS sample is pretty different to what we're used to - yes, it isn't EOPE style, but I'd get pretty tired if we'd just had that style for 12 solid years. It's all about experimentation and evolving, let's give this a chance and see how good Matt Johnson is in the studio. For those losing their mind and tongue at present, at least wait until you have heard the entire album before rubbishing it.
I'm just listening to Cannabliss from Flying Higher 2002 and it sounds wicked, so let's just be patient.   |
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Jaynamite
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 02:54 |
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I listened those 14 seconds and I must say It makes me more unpatient about the upcoming release...
I mean, you get the album 24 may, me I'll have to wait until july at least to get it in the stores
I really like the sample IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE IT SHOULD |
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Lucy Lastic
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| after all if he can mess around with Ferraris, coke and blondes it's because of us. |
Wrong. It's because he made music that you CHOSE to be a part of.
That choice is still there. |
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Jamirofanzatic
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All hatred aside those may have for the direction Jay is taking the sound of the band, from hearing the sample (which I happen to like), I really believe this will be Jamiroquai's most ambitious album to date.
Here's the way I see it. From all the interviews and rumors over the years, Jay is obviously not thrilled with Sony's handling of the band, and probably feels unappreciated. He's always butting heads with them and is frustrated by their restrictions. So how do you combat this? SELL ALBUMS! And lots of them! If they can tap into the U.S. market like they did with TWM, this can position Jay to eventually sign a new deal with a label that can give them more control of what they do.
So how do you do this? Well, just look at what he did. He went out and hired a top producer, worked with the top bass players he could find, and went to the U.S. which he believed had the top engineers he could find. And, now we find out he's hired arguably the best video director he could get.
It really seems to me that Jay has gone all out in a final blaze of glory to get in the band in a bigger spotlight, and and MAJOR success with a wider audience translates to more control. Whether it works, is another story.
Ever since I heard 'Do You Know Where Your Coming From', I've grown to like hearing Jay sing dance stuff, and he does really well with it, so I've more readily accepted the change of the sound. For me, I'm always proud to hear Jamiroquai played while I'm at a club, and that's a rare thing around my part of town. So I'll still be smiling when FJLIS rockets to the top of the charts. As far as I know, nobody's burned my copies of EOPE and ROTSC, so I'll still be fine.
That's my take on it. |
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funkynic
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 03:34 |
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| Jamirofanzatic wrote: |
All hatred aside those may have for the direction Jay is taking the sound of the band, from hearing the sample (which I happen to like), I really believe this will be Jamiroquai's most ambitious album to date.
Here's the way I see it. From all the interviews and rumors over the years, Jay is obviously not thrilled with Sony's handling of the band, and probably feels unappreciated. He's always butting heads with them and is frustrated by their restrictions. So how do you combat this? SELL ALBUMS! And lots of them! If they can tap into the U.S. market like they did with TWM, this can position Jay to eventually sign a new deal with a label that can give them more control of what they do.
So how do you do this? Well, just look at what he did. He went out and hired a top producer, worked with the top bass players he could find, and went to the U.S. which he believed had the top engineers he could find. And, now we find out he's hired arguably the best video director he could get.
It really seems to me that Jay has gone all out in a final blaze of glory to get in the band in a bigger spotlight, and and MAJOR success with a wider audience translates to more control. Whether it works, is another story.
Ever since I heard 'Do You Know Where Your Coming From', I've grown to like hearing Jay sing dance stuff, and he does really well with it, so I've more readily accepted the change of the sound. For me, I'm always proud to hear Jamiroquai played while I'm at a club, and that's a rare thing around my part of town. So I'll still be smiling when FJLIS rockets to the top of the charts. As far as I know, nobody's burned my copies of EOPE and ROTSC, so I'll still be fine.
That's my take on it. |
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T_R_S
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 03:38 |
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New songs
I've taken the liberty of having a look at Black Devil Car and Feels Just Like It Should, since there seems to be a consensus that they are almost the same song.
And they happen to be all we have for now.
Two things strike me. Firstly, since they currently don't have a bassist, we get a lot of synth-bass (or both bass and synth-bass). This is no new trick in Jamiroland, Canned Heat is AFAIK a very popular song with the fans, and it does not contain bass guitar. Using a synthesizer to create basslines has been used since the 70's by e.g. Stevie Wonder, Parliament-Funkadelic, Herbie Hancock etc. I don't have a problem with the concept of synthesized bass as long as it sounds good. And a vocoder-driven synth-bass is kind of original, don't you think?
Secondly (to my surprise and joy), Jamiroquai have started using their drummer again! Sure, he's been playing on the last album(s), but starting with some tracks (far from all, though) on Synkronized, the tendency of making Derrick play simplistic disco-based patterns became the norm. And on AFO he was even sampled and looped.. My point is, he can really play some good, polyrhythmic syncopated stuff, but in the last years he's been to busy acting like a metronome. We all know he's a great drummer, if this were the 70's, I'm sure he'd be playing in a jazz-fusion band like the Head Hunters or Return To Forever.
However, to get back on track, he's back playing drums. I am very thankful for that.
Rock elements in funk you say? How can it be??
It is not a rare phenomenon. Funkadelic deserves mention, as does the Isley Brothers or Sly & The Family Stone. Funk bands in the old days were no strangers to rock, nor were rock bands ignorant of funk. The fact that Deep Purple has made funk songs should be proof enough.
So mixing styles is fine with me (if I like the styles ).
Like the Rhodes on BDC, very nice touch.
In conclusion:
I'm gonna buy the next Jamiroquai album. Don't mind the rock, hope there won't be TOO much synth (AFO, anyone?), and I am hoping we'll get a few solos on the songs. That concept would certainly fit the "live in studio"-thing we've heard about. I'm not gonna expect their best album, but certainly not their worst.
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Carcamal
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 03:48 |
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| Lucy Lastic wrote: |
| Carcamal wrote: |
| after all if he can mess around with Ferraris, coke and blondes it's because of us. |
Wrong. It's because he made music that you CHOSE to be a part of. |
So which part of my quote conflicts with yours? Did you actually thought what you wrote? 
Music bussiness works this way:
1- He makes music
2- We buy his music, we attend concerts
3- He makes money
Got that? You harm step 2 then step 3 got harmed too...
and losing older fans is harming step 2 seriously my dear, not that I'm gonna lose any sleep 
Keep an eye on the jamline mailing list, arguments between fans on this same issue are getting as bad as here, so definitely, "step 2" mentioned above is getting harmed.
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That choice is still there. |
Polite way of saying "shut up or quit" though, keep trying. |
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