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Jacquesy
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I Love it just from 30 second! even if it is bad to others ive grown up with jamiroquai -i remember hearing eope on the radio when i was 3-in 1993- i only recently bought everything i could find that was jamiroquai and realised id been missing all these memories that follow tracks-to me bass is not a song nor vocoder etc I Listen More Lyrically thats why i pick up on the faults on the lyric page so fast-lyrics and beat make my songs. my mp3 player is jammed up to the max 62 songs 97% jamiroquai
so to the music i say keep it like that cause its positive- 
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robotscantadlib
Joined: 28 May 2005
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Location: san francisco
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 19:09 |
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| kellte2 wrote: |
| We all respect your opinion not to like the album...now respect our opinion to enjoy it. I'm sorry that it isn't what you guys want, but why is it that the few that dislike the sound of Dynamite are the most vocal about their displeasure? 3-4 voices seem to always be complaining/starting fights. If you don't like it, we probably already know where you stand, so there's no reason to fight with other members...pleasure is subjective. |
No need to fight, but I think our disgust with the album shows that there are people who will not just eat any crap Jay shits out. A 'negative' opinion should have the forum to exist, and I think this place is as good as any. But I respect people's differences in tastes. Maybe they are better Jamiroquai fans than I am since they are following this new sound direction a lot better. People like HappyDude and I just refuse to go with them, I suppose. |
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DrPhunk
Joined: 24 Jun 2004
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 01:21 |
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this is totally nuts...the people complaining and lamenting the new sound are completely insane...
if you evaluate Dynamite as and old skewl acid jazz album, then yes, it is a crap one - BUT IT ISN"T ONE!
people that say 'wtf this isn't jamiroquai omg it's so shit' - last time i checked, the artist information for Dynamite said.....JAMIROQUAI.
the 'jamiroqai sound' is whatever the hell jay and the band damn well choses to produce at any given moment.
it's their band.
it's their album.
it's their careers.
they can make whatever music they want, and no-one has a right to critisize them for their choices
if you happen to like the music, fine.
if you don't that's fine as well.
you, as a consumer/fan/whatever have every right to take it or leave it, but don't convince yourself that as a 'fan', your personal tastes are important enough for Jamiroquai to adhere to.
seriously.
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revolver_ocelot00
Joined: 08 Apr 2005
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 02:28 |
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well said |
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FunkEducation
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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Location: Maracay, Venezuela
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 03:36 |
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| Christophe:) wrote: |
| Those albums are musically perfect, they are really complex and sounds perfect ! I read someone saying that Dynamite is mixed, produced and sounds better thatn TWM ? Ok for auto-convincing but don't be ridiculous... |
yes they are man, and i agree with you in that...
but let me say you all something: as all of you know, i was the first person who said that this new album was going to be a completely shit... i accept it, i told it, and now i know how wrong i was...
of course i was (and i am, actually) waiting for a new TWM, or a new TROTSC, but remember, Jamiroquai is another band, compared with the band in those years. When i heard "black devil car" the first time, i said: "THE ALBUM IS GONNA BE A CRAP" and a lot of people here read that... and they know it. Then i listened "feels just..." and i was more dissapointed.... and then with Electric Mistress i said: What's the matter???
the incredible thing happened when i listened the full album the first time... ohh man Time Won't wait, Starchild, Tallulah, Don't give hate a chance, Dynamite, Seven days in Sunny June.... i said this album is amazing! those tracks are nothing compared with the songs of the first three albums, but they are so much better than i expected... they're so funky (and i know what is funky), i have heard some people saying that Electric Mistress is extremely funky, and i think: "What a hell are they thinking about? that's why they need a real FunkEducation!! hehehehe
the first things we heard about the new album were tracks like Funky Odyssey, Cannabliss and Black Devil Car (who were the most rocky songs i have never heard of Jamiroquai), but now with Dynamite i think the things have changed... they gave so much more of what i really expected...
Jamiroquai is not gonna be the same as the early band, but this album was ten million times better than A Funk Odyssey, they're not going to do the same things they did on the first albums, but they progressed a lot with this...
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moonman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 04:02 |
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Long time reader, first time poster
What can I say, they went over the disco-deep end. I have'nt heard it all yet though.
and its really the most polished album they've done. Wonderful production. This is some of the best pure disco of the new millenium.
But it's undeniably Jamiroquai. Jay's singing style is still there. I can just say, 'yea thats Jam' even though its really disco-y , some of it.
Oh, and I'm surprised so many people in 2005 really want to hear 'acid jazz' or 'funk coming from Jamiroquai' . Jam is funky for sure, but was never FUNK, in the way P/F or anyone was, know that.
Honestly, If theres one thing I feared about Jamiroquai long ago, is that they would get stale. Their stuff would always be great, but the same over and over again. I'm glad personally that within their still very small range of styles, they are moving about (and it doesn't suck -- has anyone heard the newer Brand New Heavies? ::YAWN: . And personally, I knew we'd get to this point when I first heard Supersonic.
not very organized, i know. |
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moonman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 04:13 |
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Jam is funky for sure, but was never FUNK, in the way P/F or anyone was, know that.
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and when I say that I also must put in that "Funk" is bull when its used as some nebulous way of describing a ' down to earth' group. Being just ' funky' is fine.
And who's saying this is commercial pop? This style and sound is sooo oldschool for the most part. It will first imbue a feel of some sort of inverted nostalgia. the kids will be listening to it and thinking back on '76 with fondness
while typing i just listened to " The World that He Wants"
It's crushing. This gives thier early stuff a feeling of flower-children naivete.
If anything its sobering after being so dancy. This song could make up a whole "Sea Change" type album.... I can see him and Elton John doing this song...... I can imagine them singing. It's just how he sang back in the day |
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 04:56 |
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so what's the difference between funky and funk???
is the same as saying that i am not black but i am white...
please explain me the difference, i'm not english or american... i really don't know, now that you use those words in different ways... bye
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Happy Dude
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 05:02 |
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| robotscantadlib wrote: |
| No need to fight, but I think our disgust with the album shows that there are people who will not just eat any crap Jay shits out. A 'negative' opinion should have the forum to exist, and I think this place is as good as any. But I respect people's differences in tastes. Maybe they are better Jamiroquai fans than I am since they are following this new sound direction a lot better. People like HappyDude and I just refuse to go with them, I suppose. |
Man — you have said it!
To all those that LOVE Dynamite... CHILL OUT and let others express their opinion. We're all fans, otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum.
We're simply saying, that, new directions or not, the QUALITY isn't there like it used to be. The CREATIVITY is lacking.
TWM was different to ROTSC, which was different to EOPE. There were changes there and evolution. But the creativity was always there.
Then came Stynkronized, with the most average of songs. Repetitve, uncreative songs (Supersonic??!!).
AFO was not much better.
And now this. I mean, listen to the first track — it's one groove the WHOLE WAY through... and it's the most musically basic of grooves as well. It's a far cry from the soulful and interesting chord progressions of the past (Too Young To Die, Stillness in Time, Virutal Insanity)...
That's my 2 cents worth...
HD.
PS — can you honestly tell me that Hot Tequila Brown is LISTENABLE? |
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DrPhunk
Joined: 24 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 05:08 |
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Re: Long time reader, first time poster
| moonman wrote: |
What can I say, they went over the disco-deep end. I have'nt heard it all yet though.
and its really the most polished album they've done. Wonderful production. This is some of the best pure disco of the new millenium.
But it's undeniably Jamiroquai. Jay's singing style is still there. I can just say, 'yea thats Jam' even though its really disco-y , some of it.
Oh, and I'm surprised so many people in 2005 really want to hear 'acid jazz' or 'funk coming from Jamiroquai' . Jam is funky for sure, but was never FUNK, in the way P/F or anyone was, know that.
Honestly, If theres one thing I feared about Jamiroquai long ago, is that they would get stale. Their stuff would always be great, but the same over and over again. I'm glad personally that within their still very small range of styles, they are moving about (and it doesn't suck -- has anyone heard the newer Brand New Heavies? ::YAWN:. And personally, I knew we'd get to this point when I first heard Supersonic.
not very organized, i know. |
Great to hear someone with a mature opinion once in a while
Excellent point about becoming boring - bands that don't change, don't survive!
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Happy Dude
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@ DrPhunk: we're not afraid of change... I don't want to hear EOPE 6 times over... But I at least want the new stuff to have the same quality as the old. And songs like Hot Tequila Brown, Black Devil Car, FJLIS... they just are lacking man.
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| Great to hear someone with a mature opinion once in a while |
Well that's a snide little remark!
not-so-happy dude |
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DrPhunk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 05:26 |
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| We're simply saying, that, new directions or not, the QUALITY isn't there like it used to be. The CREATIVITY is lacking. |
What puts you in a position to definitively say exactly how much creativity there is in this album, and then compare that value to other songs and albums in the Jam. catalogue? Are you a qualified music historian by any chance?
Let's not forget - music is art, not maths.
MANY tracks, when you hear them for the first few times, seem simple, but only with multiple listenings can you hear their true depth, and appreciate the musical talent and ingenuity that was needed to create that in a successful manner - Jamiroquai music, to me at least, is characterised by excellent depth and intricate interweaving of the various musical components.
In terms of technical quality, my opinion is that Dynamite (And AFO, just as much), represent Jamiroquai's most well-mixed, produced and polished work.
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mrdance
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 09:44 |
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We're simply saying, that, new directions or not, the QUALITY isn't there like it used to be. The CREATIVITY is lacking.
But the creativity was always there.
It's a far cry from the soulful and interesting chord progressions
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Ok, so I can't argue with you that if the quality of songwriting is down. That is your opinion.
But, lack of creativity?? I hope you've just chosen the wrong word there because if you did mean to type that, I'm sorry but you are quite clearly very bitter. This album by far is the most creative work I've ever seen JMQ do, in fact there is simply no point in saying why this is, because it is so obvious!
Interesting chord progressions also lacking? You are joking again right? Again, I need not point out examples but oh dear that is a VERY sweeping statement.[/quote] |
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mrdance
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 09:47 |
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| DrPhunk wrote: |
| Happy Dude wrote: |
| We're simply saying, that, new directions or not, the QUALITY isn't there like it used to be. The CREATIVITY is lacking. |
What puts you in a position to definitively say exactly how much creativity there is in this album, and then compare that value to other songs and albums in the Jam. catalogue? Are you a qualified music historian by any chance?
Let's not forget - music is art, not maths.
MANY tracks, when you hear them for the first few times, seem simple, but only with multiple listenings can you hear their true depth, and appreciate the musical talent and ingenuity that was needed to create that in a successful manner - Jamiroquai music, to me at least, is characterised by excellent depth and intricate interweaving of the various musical components.
In terms of technical quality, my opinion is that Dynamite (And AFO, just as much), represent Jamiroquai's most well-mixed, produced and polished work. |
Oops, i was so outraged by the Happy Dude's horribly ignorant statement I missed this! Exactly what I said, just put more succinctly;) |
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HoT-TeQuila-Brown
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:23 |
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Yeh happydude aka Poofdudes statements are a bit ignorant.
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