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mexifunk
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Jamiroquai influences are here
Hi guys!!!!
i got something for you, its a johnny hammond song (los conquistadores chocolates) from the album "Gears/Forever Taurus" released in 1992
now i got a question
¿¿¿¿IM DRIVIN ME CRAZY....OR THIS SONG SOUNDS IN SOME PARTS LIKE WHEN YOU GONNA LEARN SONG????????
......and at the end of this song sounds like "do that dance" from club citta bootleg
please give me your viewpoints
bye
edited by Abou: we might not upload any track that have been commercially released.
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five5tyle
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http://www.jamirotalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2625&highlight=tune+stories
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 14:43
TUNE STORIES
i started to write some time ago on jtalk a list of jamiroquai's related things, about songs and rmeixes or live versions, a kind of jamiroquai's secrets page, or a jamiroquai things to know thread, i always have to put it up there, so i think the best way to don't get it lose i should copy here, i think it's gonna take quite long to do, but i want all to see it, and i want people write also the things they know about jami songs, so here is it:
"when you gonna learn" contains bits of inspiration on johnny hammond's "los conquistadores chocolates", and in the "acid jazz when you gonna learn" single, in jay's special thanks you can read: ..."johnny H. (you know who you are and deserve a much wider audience and have inspired me)"...
if you listen the song you will clearly hear the "inspiration", so the similarities of some parts.....
also, the end from this song was used on another early jamiroquai song, you can hear the same complete riff of band in do that dance song they use to play back in 1993 concerts..... |
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jamirokaki
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Abou Moslem
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 21:50 |
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Re: Jamiroquai influences are here
mexifunk, I talked to you about it before, I don't think we should post links to uploaded track, we're talking about not supporting piracy on the forum. Jami tracks or tracks from other artists, I don't think it's fare. Plus, anyone can find it searching a little...
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mexifunk
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 thanks people....sometimes i have no time to look all the post and check if the post already exist.......
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High Times
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 06:29 |
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Re: Jamiroquai influences are here
| mexifunk wrote: |
Hi guys!!!!
i got something for you, its a johnny hammond song (los conquistadores chocolates) from the album "Gears/Forever Taurus" released in 1992
now i got a question
¿¿¿¿IM DRIVIN ME CRAZY....OR THIS SONG SOUNDS IN SOME PARTS LIKE WHEN YOU GONNA LEARN SONG????????
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thanks so much mexifunk for this great topic!!!
since i became a fan i asked myself million times
how could such a young guy write such outstanding
jazz song like When You Gonna Learn being this young?
even s wonder and m gaye dont have such beautiful songs!!!!
the answer is the only one : Jay is a genious, a prodigy,
the most talented composer and musician!!!! 
and about this influence which i can
call rather "co-writting" i think it happened this way:
Jay wrote WYGL when he didnt have
band yet. and all he had from musical instruments
according to interviews
and articles was a rhythm box machine.
he had to make up songs right in his head
without any instrument. and he did it!!!!
like beethoven or mozart or p. mccartney did.
and as for jazz songs a writer surely needs an instrument
like guitar or piano to play difficult jazz chords progressions when
making up a song just to have a basic chords line , jay used chords progression borrowed from j hammond song. So its like he co wrote
the track together with j hammond!!!
and when he met toby, they used to make up tunes together -
jay made up melodies and toby played chords progressions
(of course there were different combinations - like virtual insanity
was written some years before TWM release
- verse was made by Toby and Jay made up the chorus while the band was on tour in Japan).
so if you think about it you'd understand that its so cool
that such 2 outstanding musicians Jay and J Hammond like "joined" to make up this genious outstanding song. |
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High Times
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 08:04 |
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however in that chords progression borrowed by Jay there is one chord -
next to last one which is totally different from Johnny Hammond's next to last one. and its not Toby who made it up... it goes this way- with one different chord already on Acid Jazz demo and the same thing goes on all other versions including digeridoo version. i think its Jay who made up this chord.
also i want to say jay has borrowed only a chords progression for chorus,
the verse chords he made up himself. and without Jay's voice melody
j hammond's chords sound only as a cool instrumental track,
not the best hit of all times like WYGL.
and the last thing i want to say - as i am beatles fan as well i've read paul mccartney said in interviews when he started to write his very first songs he borrowed chords and riffs ideas from other performers for some of his first songs. for example "i saw her standing there" tune and bass riff has influence of one motown hit, i dont remember its name. |
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