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Catman
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
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no its not! u are not capable of thought at that stage so how can u be angry at being aborted??
Guys we're not talking about babies here... those cute little humans that cry and crawl around and shit themselves.. abortion does not involve babies. Abortion involves an embryo that is barely distinguishable from a blob. its not a human, its just part of the mother like an spleen or a kidney...
u can't compare abortion to murder because what u are "killing" is not a person, it only has the potential to be a person. So do stem cells, but u wouldnt cry murder if someone dropped a test tube full of them on the lab floor
so u cant argue that abortion is unfair because the baby doesnt have a choice. Did u stop and ask the last ant u trod on whether it would mind being killed? Its absurd |
jay u fucker
that embryo still is a new life! wot if u were aborted? wot about all those couples who want to have a baby but cant or cannot afford i.v.a or wotever it is when they artifically inject the female... why not give birth the child and give it to them? i mean how selfish must those people to decide against that! wtf... then why r they having unprotectd sex? i mean r they kidding themselves they wont get pregnant?! SERRIOUSLY DAMN ABORTING FUCKERS! |
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todd_15
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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Location: byronbay, australia
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 20:55 |
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I totally agree!! even if u are an embreyo or a feutus or 45 years old! its still a stage in YOUR life as a human being and people that do have unprotected sex just go meh ill just abort the fucker!! it really does suck.... The only time i really agree with abortion is if there is rape involved 
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CosmicBear
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 21:00 |
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i beg you!!! we have seen where topics like this will lead. please, please, please leave this as it is. nobody will change the way how they see things, but people will be insulted and will insulting in the end. please - for the sake of peace on jamirotalk!
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jay88
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 00:37 |
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ok bear! lol we achieved our aim of stirring up discussion... so we'll leave it ey. BTW i dont really believe in abortion, i just like arguing!
hehe
PS catman next time u have a wank im reporting u for 45 million counts of murder  |
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Catman
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 01:03 |
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| jay88 wrote: |
ok bear! lol we achieved our aim of stirring up discussion... so we'll leave it ey. BTW i dont really believe in abortion, i just like arguing!
hehe
PS catman next time u have a wank im reporting u for 45 million counts of murder |
chances that COULD be.... i havent actually created life and then killed it!
i dont have ovaries |
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jay88
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 05:14 |
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sperms are alive u boob |
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Catman
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 08:00 |
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| jay88 wrote: |
| sperms are alive u boob |
yeh but its not like im killing something that has already been given chance to become a baby!
when u abort a baby technically u kill a child!
your killing your own child!
it makes me sick! why dont people just have the kid and put it up for adoption? or better yet why r people even having unprotected sex? if u have unprotectd sex there are loads of things ur letting urself open to? i mean its just stupid to think u can have protectd sex without it leading u down a particular path... i mean if ur a couple and r tryin to have a kid then yeh! but come on people! seriously WTF? how dumb can u be? |
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jay88
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:09 |
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the flaw in ur argument is that u claim aborting a fetus is wrong because it has the chance to become a baby. It's not a baby, but it has a chance to be one. I postulate that a sperm has this same capability, as does any stem cell from any carbon-based organism.
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| When u abort a baby technically u kill a child! |
That's ridiculous! If you, for some reason or another, were to become infertile, does that make you responsible for the deaths of all the children you COULD have had? (the fact that they havent been born yet makes no difference obviously!) |
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Catman
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:06 |
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According to Jay88 its ok to have an Abortion
Yeh jay ur right...
its ok to have an abortion! |
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CosmicBear
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:26 |
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okay, my appeal to you seems to be unheard and it seems you guys want to continue with this discussion. 
just as a reminder: stay polite, don't insult and respect each other. jamirotalk-rules are working here as well...
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todd_15
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 21:21 |
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Jay88.... who cares if any stem cell can produce life or whatever the fact is if u have a unborn fetus or embreyo thats is the first stage to your life... your life doesnt start when ur born so yes if u have a abortion you are killing a baby with a potential to do stuff on this world
Jamiroquai were all fetus's once
so were we...
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jay88
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 02:59 |
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You guys arent fucken listening!
Todd, you say u dont care that stem cells have the potential to create life. But you claim that killing a fetus is wrong because it has the potential to create life! Am i crazy or is that a massive contradiction???
U guys seem to use the terms "baby" "fetus" and "embryo" interchangeably! They are NOT the same! Aborting a fetus beyond a certain date is a crime, and im not saying it shouldnt be. Killing babies is wrong, yes. But having an abortion is NOT killling a baby.
[quote=Todd15]Your life doesnt start when u are born[/quote]
You are right, it doesnt. But im not disputing that. Technically my life began when life itself began on earth hundreds of millions of years ago, because they became the creatures which became humans which became my parents which became me! But if i killed an amoeba u wouldnt have a problem!
You guys keep ignoring my argument and merely restate your uninformed opinions, which so far have consisted entirely of the erroneous belief that aborting a fetus is like killing a child. If u had any clue as to wot an abortion is like, u would see that is complete crap!
So in summary, i am saying abortions are ok BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE (after which the fetus is classified as a baby/child and cannot be aborted)
If u listened to me, u would realise i am not advocating the indiscriminate killing of children whose parents are "too stupid" to use birth control (another fact u have wrong - in 93% of cases it is because the method of birth control they used has failed, which often happens) but rather that u cannot say "abortion is wrong because you are killing a child" which is a load of cobblers |
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Catman
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 03:15 |
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then still explain why people have abortions and dont put them up for adoption?
no one has yet to explain this to me!
WHY... i mean why not just birth the kid and give it up for adoption!
why abort the baby/embryo/fetus... whatever? why?
why would u wanna do that.... you have the chance to bring new life into this world... why would u wanna disable ur chances at doing that? |
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VirtuallyInsane
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 06:41 |
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This is a sensitive subject guys, please settle down... This isn't the place to talk about this as some people will have been personally affected by it. Situations & circumstances can change how people feel. We don't need to talk about those either & determine what is right or wrong.
How about some new non-controversial subject? You guys smart enough to think of one? 
Yup!! That's a challenge!!!  |
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miss sparkles
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Location: In the TARDIS
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 08:20 |
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And foetus is spelt with an O. I'm a stickler for proper spelling.
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