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FunkEducation
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
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Location: Maracay, Venezuela
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I disagree with the idea of Maroon 5's stealing...
they're a nice band and great musicians, they don't hav to steal anything....
By the way, try 'Sunday Morning', what an incredible song!
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MorRisOn
Joined: 13 Sep 2004
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Location: Chile
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 16:54 |
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MAROON 5
I think than maroon 5 they are no bad, IT´s a new sound maroon 5 is very very more pop than jamiroquai... they aren´t funky |
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crazy buffalo man
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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Location: philippines
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 18:15 |
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hey, i'm sorry but i'm gonna have to say something here..i understand how you feel cheeba, i sorta felt that when i first heard it, but the feeling passed quickly. i dont think it would be fair to use the term "stealing"..but i respect your right to voice out your opinion 
i actually learned to appreciate M5 becuse of that song with that very intro. if you read in my post about m5, i mentioned that. I like these two artists and i try and avoid saying that they sound similar. i dont agree that they are the same genre..
my teacher once said, there is no such thing (or it's very rare) to find originality nowadays, almost everything is inspired by something.
c'mon guys, GOOD VIBES!!!!!!!
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MorRisOn
Joined: 13 Sep 2004
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Location: Chile
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 21:48 |
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en español .... cuando jamiroquai empezÓ en la escena londinense fueron super criticados por la prensa por que decian estos chikos le copian a "steavi wonder"
YO PIENSO Que MAS Que COPIAS SON "INFLUENCIAS"
si alguien lo puede traducir al ingles muchas gracias |
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Ivy
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 01:05 |
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I can't let it go its soo annoying.. everytime I hear Sunday morning I either think of Sunday Morning- No Doubt (because of its title) or VI- Jamiroquai....mostly Jamiroquai though..whY? because of the piano ..the piano tunes played are exact to Jamiroquai'a.. and then theres the lead singer's voice... I just recently saw a clip of him in his alternative band...he didn't attempt to copy Jays voice there! ..but if theres any copying being done.. its definately the piano...listen to it and compare!!! i Know im right! another thing... Jamiroquai was compared to Stevie Wonder a lot in the past but in a negative light yet Moron 5 is also being compared to Stevie except everyone thinks its fine ..Why is that?
I think I have a problem with this because people are more accepting Moron 5 and they receive more praise...... this may be a good thing though it may warm others to Jamiroquai's new music since most are unaware of their similarities? ....  . |
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jamirokaki
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Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Location: basque country
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:32 |
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i never listened to marron 5 before, but i noticed people talking about their jami copy style, and aslo Jay defending them, but last day i was on a shop, buying a pair of adidas shoes and when i was paying the sound started, a song come up i said! hey this sounds exactly like virtual insanity, and i said to my dad! listen! what a copy of jamiroquai! he said yes, it's virtual insanity, then i noticed that should be those maroon 5.....
and now listening to hot tequila brown...dunno why...i remembered about that band........why?
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VirtuallyInsane
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 18:41 |
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Sounding like someone else doesn't mean it's stealing!!!  There's a Daft Punk song & a No Doubt song & they both to me have similar sounds to Jamiroquai but that doesn't mean its stolen!! |
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Jamirobeto
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Location: Lima, Peru
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 01:25 |
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| ... Jamiroquai was compared to Stevie Wonder a lot in the past but in a negative light yet Moron 5 is also being compared to Stevie except everyone thinks its fine ..Why is that? |
Because Jay talks too much
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 06:40 |
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| ... Jamiroquai was compared to Stevie Wonder a lot in the past but in a negative light yet Moron 5 is also being compared to Stevie except everyone thinks its fine ..Why is that? |
Because Jay talks too much |
you're right there Jamirobeto. jay flaps too much. i refer to my topic on "Does Jay REALLY care about the environment" thing located in the "Jay Kay" section. |
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Jacquesy
Joined: 14 May 2005
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Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:16 |
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Maroon 5 and jamiroquai have both been going for about the same period of time however they used to be called Kara's flowers but no one liked them lol  theyve come back with a pianoey song it does sound a bit like vi i suppose but then again you could say most piano songs sound the same eh ding ding ding-the instrument is the same not the song
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Zender4Cash
Joined: 07 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 23:22 |
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Virtual Insanity + playing the ii-V7-I turnaround once rather than backcycling through the entire sequence and using substitutions + loads of pitch correction on his tore up ass voice - Zender's mad skills + cheesy hand claps - phat ass breakdown = Maroon 5 song |
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jgrizz
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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Location: Claremont/Southern California/USA
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 16:00 |
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I completely agree with GOZA that the chord progression is the reason for all of this hoopla!!!!
If you are a musician you would also agree....although Moron 5 still isn't being original because the piano + the chords and the voice are very similar.
But you could argue that JMQ has used a progression that has already been used as well. That is because it is a standard JAZZ progression.
called the cycle of 4th's or whatever. This justs proves how musically talented Stuart and Jay really are: They could have easily used some other cheesy chords for Virtual Insanity and tried to pass it off as a great song, but that wouldn't have happened.
 I would also say that the only reason this hasn't come up before Moron 5, is because the general public dosen't typically listen to any Jazz standards on the radio or any where else for that matter. There are numerous jazz tunes that would sound like Virtual Insanity if one would search and find them. !!!
Peace out! Yo!
J
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Maplebird
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 19:58 |
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Whew, what a kerfuffle over a single chord progression! jgrizz has it right - it really is not possible to call this "stealing" because what was being used is indeed a standard jazz progression. If people threw accusations around whenever someone used the same series of chords, we would never have any music to listen to. There are instances where people steal parts of or all of a song (kinda like when Vanilla Ice stole that Queen riff without altering it, and without even saying where it was from), and I have a problem with that. But ultimately, given the amount of music that exists, it stands to reason that someone is going to write something at some point that sounds like something that someone else wrote at some point. Listen carefully to the "Top 40" charts, and you'll hear how much alike it all starts to sound...
If there was a serious problem involving plagiarism, then JK would have said or done something about it by now. So for now, just chill out and be glad that you have good taste in music. |
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Maplebird
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 20:36 |
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Okay, I just listened to the Maroon 5 song. The chord progression is NOT the same. The drum beat has a similar feel, and the chord progression is jazzy, but not the same. If you are still stuck on this, then perhaps I can offer a quick analysis.
Sunday Morning:
Key: C major (happy sounding  )
Progression: IV-V-I(with a nice little 7th in there for a jazzy feel)
Virtual Insanity:
Key: E MINOR (more funky sounding  )
Progression: I get the feeling it's a i-vii-v-i with some ii and even a I in there somewhere, but I can't do it without a keyboard in front of me, because it is more complex and I am way rusty with analysis. One thing I can tell you is that the progression is somewhere around eight counts (or two bars) long, whereas the Maroon 5 progression is only four, and can be looped. So trust me - please take no offence - it is not the same, even if the feeling you got was similar. So just chill and don't worry after anyone stealing: Jamiroquai is the real deal, and the watered-down stuff on the top of the charts pales in comparison (though Sunday morning has a cute, fluffy feeling to the tune)
Sitting down and listening more carefully to Virtual Insanity has given me a new appreciation for the song craft that JK and the band are offering to listeners. Keep on writing and singing, JK!  |
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Catalonia is not Spain
Joined: 12 Jun 2005
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Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 22:38 |
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Neither I think that they steal Virtual Insanity initial rhythm. In fact, it could be fortuitousness. They are serious |
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