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JamiroFan2000
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Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 2881
Location: The Jamiroquaized States Of America

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 20:51

The "Live Evolution" of "Revolution 1993" Hello, You know, I have been awestruck by the current modernization of some old Jamiroquai tunes in the aspect of the live arena . Since 2001, these new live conversions have been amazing and kind of detracting in the same way. In this topic, I would like to analyze the changing of one of Jamiroquai's most important EOPE era songs, "Revolution 1993". Since 2001, when Jamiroquai live decided to play some of their old tunes, which they negated to do from 1997-1999, little musical changes were made to satisfy the new sound of Jamiroquai and make them keep their uniqueness live, and in Revolution 1993, without the added percussionist, they seemed to have stripped it down alot, with dankness running through it and fans second thinking that maybe playing old Jamiroquai songs with the new sound wasn't such a good idea. But as the AFO & Dynamite eras came around, Revolution was more synth effects and heavier basslines, giving it a little more depth. And given the NEW musical state of live Revolution, example being the new "Starchildlike" jazzed up version from the Osaka Japan 2005 bootleg, I think they new sound that was instilled has only made this old song get new life and sure made some new fans want to go back and learn about the "Old School" Jamiroquai. So I leave the topic to you, what do you think of the current "reinvention" of old Jamiroquai songs for the new generation of live Jamiroquai gigs? Is it a good thing OR merely a unneeded dragging through the mud of good songs? Thanks for listening and Peace! Sincerely, JamiroFan2000 _________________

freeetz!

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Posts: 351
Location: Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 21:03

Many people here may disagree with me, but playing Too Young To Die, Music Of The Mind, Revolution and High Times without the horn section doesn't make any sense to me! The earlier tracks are the best, but IMHO in the current incarnaton of Jamiroquai they just don't sound the way they should.

jamirokaki
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Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 3472
Location: basque country

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 21:26

i one of those who is disagree with that. i'd love if the horn section comes back again, but since there no section, i don't think they should play only new tunes or the ones with low pressence of horns. the arrangemets of jami songs change always they play them live, in each tour are different and even they can change in the same tour, some of them are better arrange and some are worse but is always interesting to hear what they can do with the old stuff playing with the new formation. in the case of revolution, i think it is a great change (i don't say i prefer the new to the old). it is just a new vision of the track, i can see it as it was really a new tune, and it is a good new tune. same happens with tytd,utf,jas etc..... _________________ *STONED AGAIN*

Catalonia is not Spain

Joined: 12 Jun 2005
Posts: 566
Location: Edinburgh

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 22:03

My point of view is that the current "reinvention" of old Jamiroquai songs is a brave decision. They could say 'OK, we have great tracks, we can play it like CD versions or simply forgive it' but they try to improve (or simply see the songs since another perspective, like kaki said) because they appreciate their stuff and, for this reason, they know that it's not perfect and they try to ameliorate it. I think that's a really good attitude. Then, we can talk about if some of them are better arrange and some are worse, like kaki said, but (I think) we must appreciate this attitute (more than the fact). Personally, I like new Revolution version, it sound powerful and danceable, and keeps on this fabulous lyrics. As well songs like High times, TWM...However, I admit that there are kind of songs like TYTD (as freetz said) that have no sense without the horn section.

FRA
Jamily Coach & Correspondent

Joined: 07 Aug 2004
Posts: 5477
Location: London don

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 22:41

Every time i go to a JMQ gig, i hope to have the lucky to see the boyz performing the old dear tunes, those ones i like more: revolution 1993, Light years, Too young to die... I had the great opportunity (like many of u) to listen Revolution 1993 live during the gig in Bologna and it was just fantastic: i just prefer this new version that the old one: i think it's more incisive and with more musical involving. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/frajamiroquaiaddicted www.jamitaly.altervista.org

Supersonic1

Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Posts: 773
Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 15:05

For what it's worth, I saw a killer no-horn version of Light Years at the Boston show...so you don't need the horns section all the time for the old songs to thrive. That being said, I think the latest Too Young To Die sounds disjointed. The new bridge has stop-start drums that keeps it from getting into a rhythm. Only when it goes out of the middle does it get back into a decent groove. THAT song could use some horns. _________________ "...I feel that Jamiroquai needs to be taken to another stage now. It really does. Otherwise, I have to be honest, I can see a situation where...there is a possibility that you become lost in the annals of acid jazz history." -- Jason Kay

orlan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 397
Location: Venezuela

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 16:59

It's pretty interesting how a band can re-invent and evolve through the years... It's a natural way in music not to be stuck forever in one mood so, a line, a rhythm, time , groove and feeling, in many ocassions, will suffer a change. I loved R1993 from TWM Tours and I think of it as one of the all-time killer performances by Jamiroquai, where drums did some kind of a march rithym and bass & keyboards developed a simple, but tasty and nasty melody over it that produced a sensation of coming & going... the combination of those two things, along with increadible percussions, made a jazz & latin stuff that was really flavoured, pretty sick !!! These actual versions lack of it and It's in a faster tempo, but instead It has more depth(guitar reinforces too) and more defined arrangements making the song,as FRA said, more incisive and sound powerful. Also It has a traesure they gave us; playing like the original (synths and backgrounds singers) when Jay sings We need a revolution Sure It will be quite a show and a complete sound and involving experience seeing live !!! (March 28, Caracas) It's nice to hear those changes and a new approach to their music ... Besides They'd not play all tunes the same way forever, Would they?

Pepela

Joined: 28 Jun 2005
Posts: 649
Location: Firenze, Italia

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 21:22

FRA wrote:

Every time i go to a JMQ gig, i hope to have the lucky to see the boyz performing the old dear tunes, those ones i like more: revolution 1993, Light years, Too young to die...
I had the great opportunity (like many of u) to listen Revolution 1993 live during the gig in Bologna and it was just fantastic: i just prefer this new version that the old one: i think it's more incisive and with more musical involving.

Totally agree-I like Revolution 1993 the way it sounds now more.
Not that I don't like older versions, but musically now it sounds really better.

orlan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 397
Location: Venezuela

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 17:27

But one thing's for sure... There won't be, by any means, another Emergency on Planet Earth like the ones they did with Stu!!!!

FRA
Jamily Coach & Correspondent

Joined: 07 Aug 2004
Posts: 5477
Location: London don

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 20:41

Agree, this is obvious _________________ http://www.myspace.com/frajamiroquaiaddicted www.jamitaly.altervista.org

Cesar

Joined: 22 Aug 2002
Posts: 181
Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 16:22

freeetz! wrote:

Many people here may disagree with me, but playing Too Young To Die, Music Of The Mind, Revolution and High Times without the horn section doesn't make any sense to me! The earlier tracks are the best, but IMHO in the current incarnaton of Jamiroquai they just don't sound the way they should. Confused

I understand what you say.
The horn section makes the music sound richer, fuller.
There are musicians whose songs don't really need a horn section, but I think that Jmq is a band that just can't skip it. The shows, as always, have been very enjoyable, but the horns would have given that extra something to the songs.

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