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Ivy
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great discussion, really new to me  lol...on bep..i think they're making strides invisible to hiphop here in the U.S. ..they're making (American) hiphop/rap more accessible to the international and really young kids....and trying to give hiphop a different image not one that seems oversexed and violent.....it may seem like plastic and too sweet, and of course, i think they know that themselves ....peb's reasoning could possibly be their understanding that not everyone can relate to ethnocentric lyrics geared towards someone living in the U.S....ok i know theres eminem... and 50 cent (imo, at the same level of POPularity as bep and more than roots) ...let them know hey theres more out there than just what you've been given (50cent,em)....i hope i make sense  peb is oka i just don't like the fergie style...joints and jams had some girl(sorry i don't know her name) and that sounds just fine no lady lumps...does anyone feel goofy playing that in their car loudly cause I do  ....buttt i do like 'its like that''. on their recent one  ..
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 14:18 |
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good viewpoint ivy, and i guess i would agree IF i classified BEP as hip-hop, but i don't - and that's what is scary is the fact that they are putting this image out internationally that what they do is hip-hop/rap. BEP (in my opinion) is straight up hip-POP (which is okay..I love some hip-poppy music). it's not even about their lyrics, there's plenty of positive inspired lyrics out. rap or hip-hop lyrics aren't all ethnocentric. if anything, most of them are about universal things - like sex and money! BEP is fun music and danceable and I see nothing wrong with anyone listening to them at all really - it's cool, just not for me.
fortunately, Europeans seem to know and recognize dope hip-hop more than Americans. most countries have taken hip-hop for what it was in the 80's, respected that and kept it that way. and this is why the roots have had more success overseas, than here (although they are really successful here to a degree), and why so many hip-hop artists go overseas to "make it".
we on the other hand....i don't know what is going on! i can't believe that VINYL is becoming obsolete and that a machine is replacing an actual turntablist. makes me sad really. but it's cool, i know where to find hip-hop (which to me is different from RAP).
don't get me wrong, music is music - it either sucks or it doesn't, but the labeling of hip-hop that the media does and that corporations do disgusts me. that's so NOT hip-hop. not that i am the expert on what is, but i know what is not. i'm not a hip-hop snob or purist, but it's just a culture that i love. i respect the evolution and love the new twist and versions of hip-hop, but it still scares me what it all has turned into.
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MattyP
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 16:44 |
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DEESH!
Big ups..once again you articulate the important ideas about this discussion...and I agree with ya.
I feel your pain about wax...the Turntabalist movement is nearly enitrely underground now..which breaks my heart. My FIRST musical experience was a 45-record!...My first portable radio was a boombox as big as me and took so many d-cell batteries that i had to save up for them sometimes!
But cats like Dj Shadow, RJD2 are keeping wax alive in the "semi-maintream" (whereever that is) and some more underground cats like Mike Realm are still doin' it...and there are kids holding down wax exclusively...but the invention and phasing in of CD turntables and MP3 technology has changed the game. Some of my favorite DJ's use BOTH at the same time (?uestlove for example).
Regarding The BlackEyedPeas(BEP) and hiphop/hip-pop/rap....
1. LYRICAL CONTENT:
My express and direct beef with BEP is the were very clear in their first album (Behind the Front) with their lyrics about how the would never sell-out, never become bubble gum and that is exactly what they did. It's their hypocracy that sickens me....even their album titles reflect their 360-degree change.
Regarding "oversexed and violent" lyrics....I have two points of view on this. First hiphop/rap started because there was no form of music that could embrace what people were going through in the urban centers during the 70's and 80's...it was a way to bleed of the steam of being frustrated and overlooked in the streets of America and it was a way of having ownership of something that was 100% theirs...it was a way of communicating "This is what I see on my corner..this is what I went thru this week"...sometimes that was "sex", "violence", "work", "love", "happiness", "pain", "racisim"...any number of things that people go through in "LIFE"..the same holds true today. Artists releasing music about what goes on in their block..in their city...sometimes it IS hard to hear...but sometimes it's beautiful...you should really expose yourself to more songs from more artists to get a complete picture of hiphop culture. It is often the short-sightedness of "uninformed-I-only-know-whats-on-MTV-or-under-contraversial-attack-in-the-news" critics that perpetuate this MYOPIC point of view.
My second point about "oversexed and violent" lyrics is one of the commodification of everything urban. Corporations like MTV and all the other high-profile media giants have saturated the culture with what they want the youth of the world (this is an important difference from the beginning of hiphop above) to BUY. And with the word "buy" I do mean both finacially and socially. This disgusts me because it is robbing the essence of why hiphop came to be in the first place.
2. Regarding EMINEM...I won't even touch that....
3. I want to ellaborate about my describing some of my boys that are muscians because that's their only option. It's important for people who haven't grown up in blocks where shots pop off to understand the pressures contained there. For some cats being a musician is their only chance to break the cycyle. I quote Black Thought from the ROOTS "...lock' em in the studio with a mic cos on the real it might save his life"
One of my best friends back in FivePoints (a beautiful but hard area in Denver) teaches HipHOp 101 to young teenagers...it's kinda a volunteer thing, but he has kids from 8-16 yrs. old coming and learning what CONCIOUS hiphop is all about..teachin' them to be shining stars and not to buy into the trappings of the "block" or of "MTV"....currenlty he has a waiting list for kids to get in....he is helping those kids come up to be strong men and women, for the right reasons and teaching them musicianship, writing styles, performance ,etc. If it weren't for my homie, these kids might be on the street or worse.
4. Regarding global hiphop....
I support music whereever it's from...hiphop on the global scale is fine with me cos everyone has a story to tell and everyone deserves to let off steam. So to all my Asians, Boricuans, Swedes, Brits, whatever...keep doin' it...but do it for the right reasons, be HONEST and tell YOUR stories, don't invent a life cos that's what is being sold at your local mall.
And DEESH..."matamatics" is a great track...it hits home my point about content...MosDef sin't saying anything in that song that is "pleasant" or ""pretty"...but it is all-to-important for people to hear.
And for IVY...much love to ya, really...I'm not hatin' on ya in any way, I hope you can take some things from this discussion and enlighten yourself to what is really going on, because when you do...DAMN! Your musical experience will be SO MUCH BETTER...you will be able to enjoy some music that might have been out of your "concious reach" before....and that's why we talk, to help our fellow humans through "this mortal coil" and find some shade in this concrete jungle that is Babylon.
Love and respect,
mattyp
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 19:01 |
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Pete - Sorry for jacking your post!
Matty - Funny, just before I read your response, I read something about LLCoolJ aligning with 50 or some BS like that. I don't know all the scoop yet. LL and GUNIT? noooo
D Batteries - Now that's old school! How funny. LMAO! RJD2 has some dope cuts with the cats from DefJux that I really dig.
I agree with your second point on the image and portrayal of hip-hop and what THEY want you to see. When I talk about hip-hop I always tell people to go listen to THE MESSAGE by GM Flash and F Five. That is what is hip-hop and that is the birthing ground for it. You can't more real than that..you just can't! That's great about the hip-hop 101 class your friend teaches. We have the same thing here. It's at Temple University. We have different artists come in and speak to the public about hip-hop. It's a great vehicle for education. It's all ages allowed.
I don't know - I don't want to come off as saying that the modern version of hip-hop sucks or that what these kids listen to is crap, because I remember when my parents wouldn't let me listen to Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince because of 'parents just don't understand'. I don't want to sound like a snob or anything. I do respect growth and evolution, but this ish is just horrible now-a-days. I am all for just dancing and having a good time to songs, but get a little defensive when it's categorized as hip-hop.
It's funny to meet a Jamiroquai fan who is as passionate about it as I because unless you live THE CULTURE you wouldn't understand why I am or you are maybe so uptight and possesive about it. I don't like the labels within (conscious, backpacker, mainstream..blah, blah). You can be whatever, and neither of those labels makes you better or worse really. I always tell MC's, if you can't freestyle - then go back to the lab. If you are good at written rhymes, that's cool with me - then you should maybe ghostwrite for someone.
But there are so many indie artists that are doing their best to preserve the authenticity, and that gives me hope.
Now that song that is in my head is Mos Def - The Rape Over.
 at Eminem - yes, let's please stay away from that
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MattyP
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 19:38 |
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LLCoolJ...that cat has done some great things for hiphop...but i recently heard his latest song with J-Lo....and i was diving for the remote control...it was like in slow-mo..."Noooooooooooooooooo"..the new track is so painful, I don't know where to begin.
50Cent....welll there was a time when he too was an underground mixtape-only phenom....I'm still deciding where I stand with him.
I've heard so many stories on both sides of the fence (mainly from cats that live in NYC) I don't know what is truth and what is fiction with him....
I can't say I own any of his "official" releases, thuogh I do have some "underground" pre-"In da Club" tracks that show some sick potential with his flow...but like I said...he's in a major holding pattern for me, musically...unless he drops something really hot I won't support him.
REgarding freestyle/writting....I agree to a certain level...some cats are just gifted freestylers, the can think so many bars ahead that it's amazing to watch 'em perform. On the other hand I also know cats that have spent so much time writting that they have developed as freestylers and have the writting to back it up. Conversely I know freestylers that can't wite with REAL depth because they never sat down and got to it....either way you slice it, lyrics take WORK...sometimes the "work" comes easy and sometimes you gotta sweat over it, but the content should be golden regardless of the method.
Big ups to ya DEESH.
I peeped your boys page on MySpace and sent him a friend request...I always like to support cats on their grind, cos I'm grindin' too and feel it's the right thing to support other independents.
One love to the whole Jamiroquai family for lettin' us break some bread here...virtually speaking.
Peace y'all.
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Jaminneapolis
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 07:44 |
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Deesh, Matty, whoever,
I have no problem with the direction this post has gone in at all. It is good to have a good discussion about this stuff on here. The only memorable one I remember having on this site is with a couple of Aussies who don't really care for it all that much.... hmmm when I think of Aussies the list gets so narrow hehehe. So it's good have have some "positive" discussion about this one here too.
Whether you think my last post came off as a little defensive, I just felt I needed to justify my point, because frankly in my eyes I thought Matty came on a lil strong in his first reply to the post... to the point where I thought he was attacking me for even posting about the B.E.P. Everyone has their likes/dislikes/straight up hatred for a group or artist and that's fine, but with his original response I just decided to elborate a little further on my original post. So if I seemed a little defensive in my reply, that's why... justified or not.
As much as I'd like to hear all that's good in hip hop, mainstream or underground, I have much more exposure to mainstream stuff. A lot of the mainstream hip hop blows these days. Dudes rappin about rims, bitches, V.I.P. bla bla bla (I'm generalizing of course, but there is a lot of that B.S. more than ever). But there are the occassional nuggets of good music that you find there...
As for underground hip hop, I try to sample as much as I can. Your suggestions are welcome because I wanna hear the good stuff. I have all those guys from the Rhyme Sayers label that are readily accessible to at least me, being from Minneapolis. Atmosphere, Sage Francis, Brother Ali, Idea and Abilities, etc etc etc. It helps that 89.3 the Current plays a lot of them for being local, and just anyone who likes hip hop around here knows of them. I love Jurassic 5. I love the Roots (seen the Roots twice, J5 once in concert as well). But with that being said, no matter how good these guys are, it's not gonna stop me from liking guys like B.E.P. if they make something good as well.
P.S.- Matty I have nothin against you.
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:25 |
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Matty - Hey, I agree about 50! I think his gimmicks have taken over any talent that he has, and that's sad. Unfortunately, that disease has spread to his whole crew and whoever he's affiliated with. I used to like him when he rhymed and now he sings and he's a terrible singer, so yeah...I'm on the fence too, but I will give him major love for 'In da Club'. Despite all else, that song was hot and I will dance to it
I can see your point about freestlying to back up writing, but my thing is this. I'm a writer in real life and I can write anything to rhyme - that doesn't make me an MC does it? I think freestyling teaches MC about their delivery, tone, style, how to be quick on their feet, etc. I don't discredit those that only write, but my respect runs deeper for those that freestyle.
Reef told me about you signing up for his space. Thank you much. I'm going to spread your myspace around and get it some love. I listened to the tracks. I like the beat on the 3rd one. I think that was it. Very dope! You remind me a lot of my boy Raymond Fiore actually. Your styles run very parralel.
Support the Indies 
Pete - I so remember finding that post when I came back to Jamirotalk and was looking for a hip-hop thread. I had no problem with the views being expressed, I'm all good about people not liking hip-hop, it was the whole header that got it for me. Maybe I just take things personally and that's fine, but when my skin color is brought up in a discussion that is supposed to be about music, I have a little problem. I tried to discuss it but no one responded to it really, although I don't know why - wasn't like I was pissed! But that's in the past, so I'll leave it there. Funny, I've never seen a post that calls out a skin color or even another group of people like that one. It's all good, I'll let that go...
Anyway, you know I've only seen J5 once and that was years ago opening for Fiona Apple in Ohio. They were so dope. The crowd was NOT a J5 crowd though and I felt bad for them. I haven't seen them recently though. You are very blessed that you have Current in Minneapolis. So many places don't have anything to listen to the middleground hip-hop. The people you listed are very big in the underground scene overseas too. Actually I think they are more popular there than here, proving furthermore that Europeans can recognize alternative hip-hop than what we/they are being fed. Those people you listed play here in venues that cap at 150 or so, and that's a shame. I'm not so much into those acts, but I applaud them for their originality and courage to just stay different.I respect that of them.
About suggestions - Doyou listen to Mr.Lif? He seems up your alley. You might dig him. I'd also check out El Da Sensai and Lupe Fiasco. A good place to find out about new dope hip-hop also is the Roots site - www.okayplayer.com or http://www.okayplayer.com/artists.htm Check out the reviews as well as 'the lesson' message board, which you may already have. Be on the lookout for the new Roots single, 'Don't Feel Right'. The full-length, 'Game Theory' is coming out at the end of August. They are also doing a tour, so maybe you can catch them. Not sure if they are going to MN or not though?
Check out my dear friends over at the Ill Vibe Collective. There are 2 radio shows they do, check them out: http://www.illvibe.net/ill_ivradio.html
I adore their skills and the music they put together. I highly suggest them.
Of course, there is Reef the Lost Cauze that I spoke of earlier:
www.myspace.com/reefthelostcauze
You said you were a J5 fan. A former member is now on his own..he's the DJ - Cut Chemist:
http://www.giantstep.net/releases/1043/
Haven't heard his stuff though.
Let's see what else. Of course I recommend everything that DJ Jazzy Jeff touches, cause he has a good ear and can remix anything:
www.djjazzyjeff.com (go past the white page and you'll see current stuff).
Do you have ITUNES? There are some cool stations/podcasts on there also. There are some dope radio shows that stream online. I know mainly Philly ones. The one I know that I really love is The Formula Radio Show.
They air every Sunday from 1-3pm EST.
INFO
www.radiovolta.org
AIM: VOLTARADIO
My space:
http://www.myspace.com/theformularadioshow
Mixtapes - http://djprimetime.tripod.com
There is also DJ Junior and Lil' Dave on the Eavesdrop:
http://www.recordbreakin.com/eavesdrop.html
Okay, that should give you some nice ear candy. Some stuff you hear you may like, some you won't! I love suggestions too!
Have a lovely 4th dear. BBQ's, fireworks and Lionel Richie for me (of all people, my city got him to headline the 4th festivities - wooohhooo, dancin' on the ceiling!!!) 
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MattyP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 15:51 |
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| Jaminneapolis wrote: |
Deesh, Matty, whoever,
I have no problem with the direction this post has gone in at all....
....Whether you think my last post came off as a little defensive, I just felt I needed to justify my point, because frankly in my eyes I thought Matty came on a lil strong in his first reply to the post... to the point where I thought he was attacking me for even posting about the B.E.P. .....
....But with that being said, no matter how good these guys are, it's not gonna stop me from liking guys like B.E.P. if they make something good as well. .....
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OK....First, opinions are just that, "opinions". They can be strong, weak, informed, uninformed, passionate or lazy....but they are just opinions.
I am a little curious why you (Minneapolis) feel a need to call me out in the beginning of your post but then say you have nothing against "me" at the end...it's just verbally a little strange.
My OPINION about music is VERY strong and VERY clear and VERY direct. I have been a musician for almost 18 years and a fan of music since I was just a sprout. I have had the unique opportunity to grow up in a part of the country and during a time in musical history that saw much of the ground-breaking artisits and movements of the late 20th century. So you better believe I will be informed, opinionated and eager to spit the TRUTH.
I'm a little frustrated as I am typing this because if you REALLY READ my posts I clealry and direclty say that these are "MY" views and that EVERYONE is entitled to enjoy music how they see fit. I say this in many different ways each time...I also am very clear to GENERALLY send love and appreciation for keeping the conversation OPEN and CRITICAL without feelings getting hurt and I also ALWAYS close with salutations of peace and love.
So do not single me out! I have been opinionated, yes, but approachable and peaceful this whole time.
I don't care who YOU spend your money on....that is your perogative. I agree with "DEESH" that the "title" of this thread caught my eye..and then what I was reading within promoted my first reply. It is my right to both hate on the BEP and explain my reasons for doing so...both of which I have done a clear and concise job with.
It is uniformed and underexposed consumers that perpetuate crappy music in the market.
I will not and cannot let opportunities to help "wake" people from their "consumerisitc slumber" go by.
If you wanted a BEP party where everyone gets on BEP's jock, then type apost and ask people who aren't fans to stay away.
But this is a DISCUSSION FORUM and it was wide open....so I did take aim at one of the bands doing A TON of damage to the hiphop culture.
And speaking of that, Atmosphere, Grouch, all those guys....I really respect what they are doing, I've partied with them on numerous occaions...I urge you to think about if they were able to respond to a thread about how "great" the BEP were, what they would say....?????
Probably nothing much different than what I have said...those guys don't support wack music anymore than the next guy.
NOW.....I have said my peace about that whole issue...and it IS ALL GOOD.
So.....
moving on....
I will put together a list of some dope music for ya, music that you probably don't have access to. I think the list that DEESH started is good, but I will type out a comprehensive list of trax and artists for you to peep out.
I hope you can take all this with a grain of salt. I know you have said you have nothing against me, and I hear ya...it's all good...but don't be surprised when you bring up a hiphop discussion and people get passionate about it...for some (like me) hiphop and music flows through our veins so we want to make sure that only the HOT ISH is represented.
So I say again,
Thanks for keeping this discussion REAL and HONEST and allow for GROWTH, LEARNING, LISTENING....speaking of which...that reminds me.
The first album you should go out and buy before we get to my "list"
is :
LITTLE BROTHER: THE LISTENING
Buy it, listen to the whole album, back to front...and then listen to it again. These guys are from the new generation, but this album is one for the books!.
A quick note to DEESH:
Yeah mane I agree with you about freestylin'/writin' the performer def steps up their game and gets sicker the more they freestyle...no doubt.
A'ight people, I need a beer cos it's the 4th and I'm stuck in a country that doesn't celebrate it....so I'm gonna go party for me and my people!
ONE LOVE ( I mean it...)
mattyP
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Jaminneapolis
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 18:52 |
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Just cos someone started this thread I will put in my two cents....
The BEP have fallen. They were, at one point, something fresh to hiphop. There's a line from the album "Behind the Front" where they rhyme about not needing "tommy hillfger's", etc.
They are one of the most sold-out hiphop group of all-time in my opinon.
All their songs sound the same now...and have for the last few albums...in fact all of 'em except for their first album (see above) are total SH***.
They are doing MORE DAMAGE to hiphop than good. They should just STOP RECORDING and give us a break.
I swear if I hear another Fergie chorus that sounds the same or another rap line about how much they alove Fergie I'll puke.
BEP should be MIA!!!!!!!!
Matty, that is YOUR whole first post. I REALLY READ it.
To ME- that is REALLY READING your posts. I just took it a little personal before because of that very first line you put in. That's where this all stemmed from. Happy 4th, as I said before, I still got nothin against you, never did, but it doesn't mean I can't react to YOUR posts the way you reacted to MINE.
Deesh had some fine suggestions that I'll need to look into. Do YOU MATTY have any more suggestions to add? Because as I said I wanna hear the good stuff. There's a lil jealousy of you and Deesh for knowing supposedly all this good hip hop that I've never even heard of... and also the fact that I gotta work today and y'all don't. Lata y'all-
Pete
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awwwww....pete!!
i do know good hip-hop, but that is only to my ears. we all hear differently and i'm sure someone thinks what i listen to is crap, it's all gouda cheese. i don't know it all and i'm still learning, so i'd love any suggestions too! that little brother album matty listed is definitely a great one...i like ye-yo and speed personally. i can send you the tracks this week!
and how do you know i don't have to work  ? remember that i have not 1, not 2, but 3 jobs! i worked earlier actually and last night until about 1am...
it is hot as hell outside and so i waited a bit to go out there. now, i'm off to see lionel richie (it's free..i wouldn't pay to see lionel) and some classic illadelphia fireworks. sorry you got to work all day on the 4th babe. i'll eat a burger for you
much love, deesh
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MattyP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 19:40 |
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A'ight Pete......
1. True that is my first "post" in it's full form.
2. If you are going to mince my words I will do the same with you.
"To ME- that is REALLY READING your posts." : This implies posts..PLURAL...each post after the first one, the discussion became more real and critical(in my opinion) and so to be sure that everyone knew I was coming from a place of calm and peace I ended each one with a salutation of "it's good to break bread with y'all" "peace-n-luv" "One love" ,etc.
3. If you read my LAST post I'm curious why you said the following:
"Deesh had some fine suggestions that I'll need to look into. Do YOU MATTY have any more suggestions to add?"
To save you the time and effort I'll quote myself from my last post:
"NOW.....I have said my peace about that whole issue...and it IS ALL GOOD.
So.....
moving on....
I will put together a list of some dope music for ya, music that you probably don't have access to. I think the list that DEESH started is good, but I will type out a comprehensive list of trax and artists for you to peep out.
I hope you can take all this with a grain of salt. I know you have said you have nothing against me, and I hear ya...it's all good...but don't be surprised when you bring up a hiphop discussion and people get passionate about it...for some (like me) hiphop and music flows through our veins so we want to make sure that only the HOT ISH is represented.
So I say again,
Thanks for keeping this discussion REAL and HONEST and allow for GROWTH, LEARNING, LISTENING....speaking of which...that reminds me.
The first album you should go out and buy before we get to my "list"
is :
LITTLE BROTHER: THE LISTENING
Buy it, listen to the whole album, back to front...and then listen to it again. These guys are from the new generation, but this album is one for the books!. "
4. Since I have given you an album to buy and to listen to AND have promised you a full, comprehensive list of tracks for you to check out, I think I have fullfilled your request.
5. Don't be jealous, just be open-minded, cos at the end of the day I am a friend and I am HAPPY to turn you on to music that IS out there (not supposedly)
6. I may have the day off, but I live in a country that doesn't think much of Americans, so I can't celebrate the 4th without fear of reprocussion...it sucks but that's the way things are here (Puerto Rico).
7. Of course you can react with passion and strength...that's what make for good, critical discussions!
8. It's all LOVE! I appreciate you staying part of the discussion...
9. Hang tight cos the list I'm putting together is a doozie, so it'll take me some time.
10. Let's all twist up a fat joint and enjoy the fact that we all love music and we all love one of the dopest bands on the planet, Jamiroquai!
Peace-n-Luv,
MattyP
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MattyP
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As a P.S. to my above post......
Pete, send me your email and I will send you some trax.
Ultimately, I don't want to send you ALL the trax because I think that you should support the artists with your wallet.
But I'll be more than happy to send you few few key trax that will help get ya hooked on some of this super-nasty-crazy-dope hiohop!
One Love,
MattyP
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Jaminneapolis
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Thanks... Time for work. Where all the real fun on the 4th takes place! Lata
-Pete
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Ivy
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Haaaiiiiiieeee ...lol...um yeah back to the answer to my answer wink wink
.....i wasn't necessarially  (haha spelling misspellings alloverrrrrr)..... criticizing oversexed violence in lyrics just the glamourization of it ....50cent for ex......."the corner" or "go" common doesn't glamourize he admits it, reminices it etc describes the "culture" ....and neither does talib with his video "get by" now on bep...they aren't the best the greatest etc..but i believe they can provide an alternative to 50cent...who is cough cough im def sure of this way more POPular than say the roots.....but if the roots ever make it beyond 50 ....more choices!!! .....you only have to look at this forums past discussions/afflictions with the terms rap/hiphop to understand how they are viewed 'internationally'..but you can't blame them really what have they been given?....im no hip hop/rap fantic really i like some and some i don't ...but it all depends..i don't just want to follow what everyone likes if my ears think its hot, then it is... it could be all be a mess really whether its mainstream or some guy down the street...thats why im here and im not there
and anyways....where is the love? wasn't that bad really im no fan of justin but..i like it better than disco inferno and who knows maybe a fan of bep might accidentally go thru their discography and past, find something deep, and that action could provoke them to seach for the similar elswhere. phew.. |
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deesh
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fan of justin = me
But really, I guess I can't blame people to a certain degree, but then I think - Yes, I can - because the alternative choices are out there, and if you want to know about different music, then it's really not that hard to find, especially with the net at your fingers!
Matty (because I think you'd dig it) and Pete (because you asked for suggestions)- Here's another suggestion I thought of this morning. I am part of a CD trading group that consists of people around the country and some outside of the country. It's all dope, dope music because these are all dope, dope people! You are paired up with someone once a month and you create a CD for them. Because we are all on a hip-hop/soul/funk/indie rock/break beat site, all the music is based around those genres. They also create one for you. It's a great way to build your musical knowledge really and doesn't take a lot of time. You stick songs on a CD and send it out. Let me know if you want to join, it's all free (with the exception of the postage and blank CD's) and run by members of the site. It's not a HUGE trading circle, but it's a good mix of people.
Also in that trading circle, people make CD's for anyone. They post up the tracklisting and anyone who wants it will contact them and they'll send it out. Pete, this month my friend in Manchester is offering a CD called Superproducers and it is going to have Pete Rock/Primo/GZA and Jay Dee on it. I'm going to get a copy for you. All lovely. Matty - you could even put an original song of yours or two on there!
You can also look at it and see the type of music traded and see the vibe of the people. It's such a way to get exposure to music you don't have or music that you didn't know about. lLet me know if this interests you. Have a good day
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