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SkateCowboy
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When WE gonna learn?
First of all I wan't to say that my english isn't 100 perfect, but I hope I can make myself understandable anyway. 
Today I could read about a new campaign starting out on one of Swedens biggest newspaper (www.aftonbladet.se).
Here in Sweden we had a really long summer until recently(which isn't normal) and now we had a crazy snowstorm couple of days ago. The campaign on aftonbladet.se is about our earth and that we must act now. Because ladies and gentlemens; We DO have emergency on planet earth. The temprature is rising on our planet.
We can discuss this topic a lot. But first I would like to discuss why people here on this forum don't discuss such things like that so much...
Back in 2002 I was on my way to start my own little webdesign company. I had saved some money to keep myself going on for some months without a salary, which is a normal thing when you try to start a company. But just two weeks after I started my company I was asked to develop a website for Unicef. The idea was to collect money by SMS from people through this site. And everytime you sent an SMS you could see how many childrens life in africa you could save for how many years. I wasn't going to get payed for it. That evening I was thinking on what I should do. And since I am a big Jamiroquaifan it is not unusal that I listen to jamiroquai everyday....
This evening I listened to the first album (Emergency on planet earth). Jay Kays word inspired me to say yes to do this charitywork. Why did I even had to think? Saving thousands of childrens lifes isn't something you should say no to if you have the chance. Sure I lost some money on it. But I never really suffered to much from that anyway. And what is that suffer and loss compared to know that so many children got to continue to live.
My point isn't to say how good I was for doing this. My point is that...hmmm... I often read this and that about Jay Kay. His clothes, his cars, his lovelife on this forum. But how come I don't see a section on this forum where we all discuss important things on how we can make our world better? I have been fan since '93. But I don't think I would have been that huge fan if it wasn't for that first album with all the words from Jay Kay. He convinced me to believe in that we all should help and contribute too make this a better world as much as we can. And I am sure that I am not the only one that took his word to my heart. But his words on that album did that I really liked what Jamiroquai was about then.
Today it is 2006 and I am not at all dissapointed about JK not writing as political songs as he used to. He already did that. But did people listen? Did at least his fans listen? My favourite Jamiroquai forum does not even have a section on those topics? C'mon! Didn't Jay Kay ask us when we are going to learn? I can't see how JK is proud of his fans spending 99% of their time discussing all the stuff like what sneakers he had on when he dated that girl with big breast. But I DO think that JK would be proud of us if we at discussed more about the topics he brought up already on the first album. And then again it is not about making JK proud. It is about doing something we should have done already; Have respect for mother earth and treath her well.
My dream is to see a section called "Revolution" or something on this forum. Here we could discuss thing like positive things we can do to make a better world. And it doesn't need to be big things. Small things like changing to a lighbulb at your home that consumes less energi is a small thing for you. But it would be a big thing for mother earth if everybody did this.
But maybe I am all out of my minds now? Let me hear your opinion about this. What can we do people? Are the message JK gave us on his first album just pure entertainment? Or...? 
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So my friends to stop the end
On each other we depend
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We gotta wake this world up from its sleep.
Oh people,
Stop it going on
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Jamiroquanna
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:11 |
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Absolutely, something should have been done a long time ago to prevent our planet's decline.
Jay's lyrics at the start of his career were very political, which he explains in one of his interviews, that unfortunately, political lyrics do not sell records. On the other hand, inane gossip does.
15 years ago, Jay wrote ".....there's no fish left in the sea" and it's only now that they are discovering that that in fact will be happening in less that a century. It's scary and horrifying how man has allowed this to happen. People will never learn, as we have a saying in Poland "man tries to learn all his life and will die stupid".
As for having a section in the forum about it, I like that idea very much. Am going to propose this to CosmicMouse and wait for her reply 
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:18 |
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skate cowboy...very good post. u just made me think again.
i was watching the "when u gonna learn" -video with my family yesterday ..and i told them a bit about jay kay and what this song is about ..also emergency on planet earth...u are right..he sang more about this in his early days..
people seem to be more concentrated on his appearance than on his ideas he wanted to spread.
i don´t think we forgot .
sometimes u just feel helpless..
your suggestion to make a thread like "revolution" is a very good one i think.
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each one should do they part on this.
but i don't think discussing it in a forum would help anyway.
we need a real revolution in this issue, because it's not an easy change. it's not only to keep a forest clean or stuff like this. it's a total mentality change, out from this globalization world, this killer capitalism and this way of life we got, were everyone look for their own, for the most confortable life full of ultimate technology in all issues...
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:21 |
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that´s what i meant...talking about it can only make u think about it but will not really change anything.
we have a german saying "geld regiert die welt" which means money rules the world ...the fact is..it is true..only small groups of people really put effort in "saving the planet"...
just look at the governments...they need milliards of dollars for defence systems, weapons,etc...nobody cares about hunger, enviroment..
the human being will kill itself..wanna bet? 
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Jamiroquanna
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:29 |
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I disagree, talking about it will help people think about it, otherwise it will just get "swept under the carpet" and forgotten about until it's really too late. Most of the damage has been done, but as the saying goes "it's not over until the fat lady sings".
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:42 |
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talking has the sense of that u don´t forget thinking about it..but we can bring thousands suggestions how to save the world but nothing will change..
talking is a beginning...but as long as nobody will put effort in ideas or whatever it can´t lead nowhere..
that´s what i tried to say
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 13:41 |
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Re: When WE gonna learn?
| SkateCowboy wrote: |
| ...But I don't think I would have been that huge fan if it wasn't for that first album with all the words from Jay Kay. |
That goes for me too. Although I only got into the band in early 1997, it was EOPE that I heard first and got hooked on... I am positive I'd never have become a fan if it wasn't for the message (I didn't even know what funk properly sounded like before I got into this band!).
How about a section in the forum where can put down some practical things we can do or have done (no matter how small) as well as a section on general awareness? (the Off-topic section is a bit of a free-for-all at the moment...) It could be a good place to give/get ideas about what we can do ourselves. I agree, sometimes the issue seems too big, but if everyone does their little bit, things will start heading in the right direction.
Kinda like the saying - "think global, act local"
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Re: When WE gonna learn?
| Andrew wrote: |
Kinda like the saying - "think global, act local" |
I like it
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| Sandriche wrote: |
talking has the sense of that u don´t forget thinking about it..but we can bring thousands suggestions how to save the world but nothing will change..
talking is a beginning...but as long as nobody will put effort in ideas or whatever it can´t lead nowhere..
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I understand Sandra, it depends on whether a person wants to change or not. Some people don't know how to make the world a better place, but with some help we can get the word out. If everyone buried their head in the sand, then yes disaster will strike. Every little helps
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 17:51 |
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
| but i don't think discussing it in a forum would help anyway. |
i HIGHLY disagree...discussing can lead to education and information that a person may not have had prior that may lead them to action (example: Andy's post in OFF TOPIC).
to answer your question about why there isn't a section or thread to make our world better.....ummm - there are a few topics on this for different things. i posted something about AIDS, davina posted something about animals a bit ago, andy posted something about arnhemland. in the canned heat topic, we also discussed darfur briefly. there was also a great topic about meat and vegetarians and vegans, and i also believe deja posted something about the leather in the JK for HUGO line (or was it fur). i remember also learning from here that von dutch was a racist. i even brought up the movie "an inconvenient truth" in the movies topic and encouraged people that are interested in our environment to see it - it's all about temperature, global warming, etc. so while there isn't one dedicated topic, these things are being brought out in spurts across the forum.
i don't post more about things because i don't really think people are interested enough if it doesn't directly contain jamiroquai and i'm too attached to causes to put them out there for people not to respond. i'm very, very, very emotional when it comes to those things. i often think that if jay and guys spoke out more about issues, the fans would react in a more pro-active way - but that's just my personal feeling.
also note, just because there aren't topics doesn't mean people aren't involved or discussing things behind the scenes.
i didn't even read the inlay card of the CD until about a year or so after i got the album.
but truth be told - i think most people want to take action, but they don't know where to start or they think that their little bit won't make a difference.
sounds cliche, but that's really not true and it's so easy to get involved in something else, but i'm sounding like a broken record and i'm sure annoying someone reading this - so i'll stop here! 
xo
ps. an idea is for you to start a topic about an issue and then maybe put some links in the topic for others to connect to about it and learn more...
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| deesh wrote: |
| ..discussing can lead to education and information that a person may not have had prior that may lead them to action |
i'm agree there. discussing would help here too.
"think global, act local" it's the best way to handle this in my opinion too, but the real problem is that this issue (nature care) is part of a bigger problem, all connected with all other human issues (political, social, cultural etc...) and i really think the only way of changing all this is with a real revolution.
everyone of us should change their behaviors in lots of aspects of his life to get the planet in a true equilibrium. And, sadly, so sadly, humanity goes without stop in the direction is going.
p.s also, my personal problem discussing this important issues is that i don't know expressing myself correctly, for my lack of english vocabulary.
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Here's my suggestion what everyone should do (it's at least a start).
Buy locally produced food. Or at least food that is produced in your own country... or as close as possible.
You know what? They catch salmon, cod etc in the waters outside Sweden and Norway. Then they ship it all the way to China. In China some underpaid workers gut the fish, fillet, cut and dice or whatever, perhaps even prepare it with marinade or cooked into proper microwave dishes. Then they freeze it and ship it back to Norway and Sweden where it's sold. It's insane.
First of all it's insane that a fish should travel longer than I've ever done just to be gutted and prepared for consuming and then sent back to where it initially came from. It's insane that this time consuming, resource consuming and rather awkward procedure actually is cheaper than using locals to do the job.
The fish isn't fresh when it comes back which is a negative thing for the consumer. The transport takes its toll on the environment. It further widens the economic gap between rich countries like ours and poor countries with "low cost labour". Everybody is getting fucked in the process. Mother Nature is... the consumers are... the workers are. The only winners are the companies involved.
It's not only about fish... I mean, I can buy Brazilian or Argentinian beef here in Sweden for half the price of what Swedish beef costs. It's being shipped all over the globe. German milk? Why? They have perfectly good milk producing cows here in Sweden. Apples! I can buy apples from France, Italy and from even further away. The price is just a little less than Swedish apples. Do they taste good? Yeah, but Swedish apples taste better. Just as I suspect Italian apples taste better in Italy compared with Swedish apples being shipped there. Fruit lose taste and quality when they pick them before they are ripe just to be able to send them somewhere far far away. And they prepare them with chemicals to slow down the natural process called decay.
I suggest everybody starts buying locally grown and produced food. Perhaps it'll cost some more, but you will be supporting your local employers and make sure people have jobs. You will get better and more fresh products. You will also support the earth... mother nature will smile when you choose local products.
Some things can't be grown where we live. Trying to grow oranges in Sweden would quickly make you go bankrupt. I fully understand the need to import/export some things and that's fine by me. But to buy products you have at your nearest farm from a country on the other side of the globe is just silly if you ask me.
I always buy Swedish food if it's available. I'm happy to pay some more for the obvious reasons. 1) I like my food fresh and tasty, 2) we've never had a case of BSE, 3) using steroids is illegal, 4) using antibiotics pre-emptively is illegal, they only allow it if animals get sick and actually need it, 5) you will do good for the environment, 6) you will do good for your own body (ie avoid chemicals used to keep food "fresh" during shipping).
Just my 0.02SEK.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 20:07 |
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yes, that's a little step
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 20:17 |
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yessssssssss 
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