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almatri
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Stuart Zender...Overrated when compared to Paul Turner ?
Hello y'all, I'm new on this forum 
For the Stuart Zender's fans, I'm not trying to discredit his work in Jamiroquai, I'm just talking of his bass playing in live concert
Before my registration, I read many topics of this forum, and I often foundd the same statement:
Stuart Zender is way better than Paul Turner.
Since I'm a true fan of Jamiroquai since 2004, I had never heard a live of the band with Stuart in the band
So After listening to travelling without moving from the Live@Mean Fiddler, I was already thinking that he was some god on the bass, since he was 1000 times better than Paul.
Thanks to the hub I downloaded the best gig of Jamiroquai for many fans (Montreux 1995, West Mc Laren 1997 etc...) and I paid attention to the bass playing.
I must confess that I have been "disappointed" if I can say, by him . Well, not really disappointed, because he played very well in the concerts, and of course he was younger than Paul Turner when he was playing in Jamiroquai.
But when I read sentences like "everyone is not born with a bass in his arms like Stuart Zender", I thought that the guy was playing like, I don't know, Marcus Miller ?
So can someone tell me wich live track of Jamiroquai I should listen, to comprehend the true level of Stuart Zender ?
Sorry for the bad english, it's not my first language :/ |
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 14:34 |
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hahah of course there won't be a better bassplayer than Stu Zender in Jamiroquai, period.
And the same happened with Nick Fyffe... when a new bass player get into the band, what people normally do is compare him with the previous bassplayer... dunno why, that's maybe instinct, but that's the way it is...
another instinct we have is that anyone is better than Zender haha
and thanks god you met the Zender Jamiroquai... you realized how amazing can Stuart be on bass... he's a master... as you said...
welcome on board! |
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jamirokaki
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i think paul is a perfect player, i really love what he does in jamiroquai and the same for Stu, i think he's a master and perfect for jamiroquai.
you may be comparing them technically, and in that aspect i don't think nobody can say that Stu is million times better than Paul, i think both may have the same high level.
wich i specially love (and surely most of the stu fans) is his style, not his technic. you mention ,arcus Miller, he is in fact a master and surely technically lot better than Stu or Paul, but personally i don't prefer him, not for jami and nor for his own music, i dig it, but his playing don't touch me as much as Stu's, same happens to me with Jaco pastorious.
i'm lover of funk bass, it's the instrument i use to pay more attention on and the one i most mimic when listening to music (  ) and Stu's ones just blow my mind, he's way of poping and slapping, of making weird sounds with the bass, the smooth sounds and basslines, all of it amazes me.
As i said i also love paul's way of playing but theres definitely something different in their styles (for example, listen to canned heat's bass break on jazz cafe, it is great and i don't think stu will play licks like that, in opposition we will never hear paul doing stu's stuff we hear in scam)
i hope i explained well.
and same can happen with toby and matt.
EDIT -> and maybe wuth simon katz and rob harris 
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almatri
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 20:45 |
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Yeah I understand what you're saying. I did some research on the net, and it looks like many people like him because of his influence in the band, his charisma when he was playing, and the fact that he had no real experience before Jamiroquai.
To do the great bassline in "Music of the mind" with just 2 years of bassplaying, yeah that's pretty impressive
And that's certainly why many people are saying that Jamiroquai will never be like before. They were just young boys having fun on scene during the EOPE-TROTSC era, and it was certainly appealing for their fans.
Since I have not known that, this is certainly why I couldn't understand why Paul was so underrated |
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 21:04 |
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Ed or any other Stu lovers - Almatri asked this question, "So can someone tell me wich live track of Jamiroquai I should listen, to comprehend the true level of Stuart Zender ?"
Can one of you answer him/her please?
Next, I don't mean to be ill because I'm not an ill-fated person, but these comparisons (Matt to Toby, Rob to Simon, Paul to Stu) are type-a ridiculous! I'm so over it (nothing against the poster at all..welcome here ). Everyone is going to have an opinion of who is better or whatever, but the truth of the matter is they are both wonderful musicians or they wouldn't still be making a living off of what they love - playing music.
My gosh - who cares? I'm damn sure Stu and Paul don't care if they are better than one another, and so I really don't see why we should care. I'm sure they are more concerned about getting better than themselves. Making the bass sound better on this album than it did before or making it sound better on this song than it did on the previous = GROWTH.
Keep discussing - it's all good, I am not telling you what to not discuss, but it's just really, really...unnecessary. Just my opinion, don't take it to heart please. 
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 23:39 |
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i tried to recommend scam live from Stu, but now that i re-read my post i see i forgot to put stus name when i refered to scam.
i also think those kind of comparisons are mostly absurd, but the "who cares" because it's sure they don't care is also a quite extrange quote, and i'm not agee with that.
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 02:23 |
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| deesh wrote: |
Ed or any other Stu lovers - Almatri asked this question, "So can someone tell me wich live track of Jamiroquai I should listen, to comprehend the true level of Stuart Zender ?"
Can one of you answer him/her please? |
thanks Deesha! i forgot to tell him about it cos i was so inspired writing wot i said... hehe
I, personally, reccomend you to listen the "Emergency" versions of the TWM tour, the "Scams" of the TROTSC tour, wow man, there are so many songs where Stu makes his amazing job, that i prefer to tell you to download all the bootlegs you can from those magical years (1992-1998).... that's all! i can help you there! you can contact me... i'm a great source of Stu Zender stuff... hehe |
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deesh
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 13:16 |
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
| i also think those kind of comparisons are mostly absurd, but the "who cares" because it's sure they don't care is also a quite extrange quote, and i'm not agee with that. |
I have no idea what this means, but no worries...doesn't matter that much. I was just saying overall I think the fans make an actual issue out of the comparison, when I don't think Paul and Stu really care about being better than the other. I think they just care about making sure they continue to grow and improve. I can't see them as immature to care about each other's past playing...but then again I'm not best friends with either one of them, but that's all I was saying.
No worries..doesn't matter
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almatri
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 13:50 |
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In my opinion, it's a natural thing for the fans of a band to compare musicians playing, or having played in the band. Since most of the fans are not always musicians, they will just care about hearing good music.
And anyway, it was not really the subject of my thread. I wanted to know why the fans was always saying that Zender was way better than Paul Turner when he played in Jamiroquai. If it was connected to his bassplaying, or just his attitude, the fact that he was the first bassplayer in Jamiroquai etc...
On a side note I heard Mr moon from the paradisio 1994 bootleg, and I was  by his playing !!! |
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deesh
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| almatri wrote: |
In my opinion, it's a natural thing for the fans of a band to compare musicians playing, or having played in the band. Since most of the fans are not always musicians, they will just care about hearing good music.
And anyway, it was not really the subject of my thread. I wanted to know why the fans was always saying that Zender was way better than Paul Turner when he played in Jamiroquai. If it was connected to his bassplaying, or just his attitude, the fact that he was the first bassplayer in Jamiroquai etc...
On a side note I heard Mr moon from the paradisio 1994 bootleg, and I was by his playing !!! |
That is a great version of Mr.Moon
I guess I'm just one of the fans that truly don't care to compare so maybe I shouldn't have commented, but the thought was triggered in my head.
Carry on with the conversation and again Welcome
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almatri
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 14:56 |
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I don't really care about this too
I just asked this by sheer curiosity, I was not trying to do the thousandth Zender vs new Jamiroquai's bass player  |
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FunkEducation
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just listen his solo in "Tighten Up" in Club Citta' 1993
and you will say that Paul and Nick are kids... haha
he was just two years playing when he did that destroying solo! haha |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 20:25 |
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as for me i love all jamiroquai bassists.
they all are cool but very different
btw that moment from Citta gig is so great!!!!
i watch tighten up very often
beginning from Darren solo on vinyls, then John, Mike and all the guys playing further.. Amazing track!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 21:29 |
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Darren, John, Mike???
now I'm lost!
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jamirokaki
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Darren Galea aka dj dzire in jamiroquai from 93 to 99
John Tirkell trumpet from 93 to 94
Mike Smith sax/flute from from 93 to 95 and 99 (maybe some 96/97 concerts too)
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