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Best Animation Studio so far?

Pixar

81%

[ 9 ]

Blue Sky

[ 0 ]

Dreamworks

18%

[ 2 ]

Total Votes : 11

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Dye
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 22:16

Pixar Vs. Dreamworks Vs. Blue Sky Hello Jamirotalkers, I've always been a fan of Pixar's movies (Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, the forthcoming Cars), I think they are beautiful, not only the revolutionary technique but also the way the stories are told. The characters are so well designed, that you can believe they are real. OK, where am I aiming at? I saw 'Shark Tale' yesterday (the other animated company, Dreamworks -made 'Shrek', 'Shrek 2', the new 'Madagascar') and even though the graphics are good (not as good as Pixar... you see I study graphic design, and I know certaing things about this... 'Blue Sky' -the company that made 'Ice Age' and 'Robots' is years ahead Dreamworks, trust me-) the story is not good. I was bored in the middle of the film. I mean come on, you have that expensive technology and you put rap dances in a kid movie? The secondary characters are the best ones, and the voices are good too (Robert De Niro, how can he be bad? he's a genious!!), but there's something Pixar has in its movies that Dreamworks hasn't. I get emotional with Pixar, and even the action scenes are better (Speedo running in the woods? That was great, looked like Star Wars, Return Of The Jedi!). I don't know, maybe the people behind Pixar (John Lassetter mainly) make movies for the kids and for the adults. 'Toy Story 2' was about the things that change when we start growing up. You don't see this kind of subjects in movies. And I think that's a fabulous tale. I can go on with this in those movies. But Dreamworks seems to lose that connection. Only a few references to Burger King (in both Shrek 2 and Shark Tale, that shows they are not so original) and other ones referring to our actual culture. 'Shrek' won the first animated movie Oscar, which I think 'Toy Story' should have won (ok ok, in 1996 this cathegory was not in there), but I don't think 'Shrek' was as good as the movies Pixar did at that time. The only thing I liked from 'Shrek 2' was Pinnochio and Gingerbread Man(another example on that secondary characters in Dreamworks pictures are better than the lead roles). It was entertaining tho. Although I have my expectations on the new 'Madagascar' (Dreamworks), the trailer seems good. And next week I'm about to see 'Robots', they said it was good. 'Blue Sky' is getting big, they already prepared the sequel to 'Ice Age' (by the way, watch the graphics on 'Robots', the metal pieces seem so real!). Why I opened this topic? Cause there's a new step in cinema and this animation studios can make fantastic things. Make your own judgement according to what you know about this films, and about my post too, why not. This is only my opinion. Thanks to Yvie for helping me on the Gingerbread Man name! D! (dyego)

DrPhunk

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Location: Brisbane, Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 23:47

Pixar gets my vote for best studio. By far they have been the most consistent (both in commercial/critical success and quality) across a number of films. They were the first with a full-length CGI film - Toy Story - which was a massive success, and they haven't looked back since. Pixar appears to have the younger-audience formula down to a fine art - just look at the huge suceess of Monster's Inc., Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Bugs Life, etc. - yet they still appeal to an older audience. I laughed till I hurt whilst watching Finding Nemo. They took a big risk with The Incredibles - but it paid off. Everything they touch seems to turn to gold so they get my vote for the number one animation house! Personally though, my favourite modern CGI feature would be Shrek (...and Shrek II). I love the balance that Dreamworks found between a younger and more mature humour. Pixar does try to do the same, and are perhaps shifting towards an older generation already (The Incredibles - a drama about family issues, rasing children and a mid-life crisis!), but I think that Dreamworks & the Shrek films managed a much darker and more sophisticated combination. As for BlueSky - to be honest, I haven't seen Ice Age, but the other day I saw Robots and didn't think it was all that great. Technically, the animation was brilliant, really next-generation stuff - but the animation was also too kinetic, and the environments lacked real depth. Robin William's mugging was nothing great, just his standard hyperactive ad-libbing, and actually became a little annoying! (Don't get me wrong - i love Robin Williams - this is the first thing of his I haven't liked!). The pop culture references were unoriginal both in content and execution, and seemingly in there just for a cheap laugh. I think BlueSky maybe got too focused on all the fantastic new effects their shiny new animation suites could do (BIG difference between this and Ice Age), and less focussed on how to use them to make the best story! That said, I will be interested to see how BlueSky develops over the coming years - they have a strong backing, with cutting-edge technology, and have access to a HUGE pool of talent (20th Century Fox). Great topic Diego! _________________ Have to get UP to get DOWN THE REMEDY IS IN THA SOUND!

Supersonic1

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Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 05:34

I like 'em all. I have Ice Age, both Shreks, the Incredibles, and will probably get Shark Tale eventually. I'm a proud supporter of computer-generated animation and I can only imagine what's gonna happen with new technology in the future. That being said, a good 2-D movie would be nice right about now. I haven't seen Robots, but from what I've heard it seems to suffer from what you're saying, namely a shoddy story. I'll have to see it to form my own opinion. _________________ "...I feel that Jamiroquai needs to be taken to another stage now. It really does. Otherwise, I have to be honest, I can see a situation where...there is a possibility that you become lost in the annals of acid jazz history." -- Jason Kay

PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 05:56

just remember, animated movies and the actual script are completely different. u can have crap animation and a great script, and vice versa. i think dreamworks kick arse. blue sky need work. expect them to be gobbled up by dreamworks.

Catman

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:16

i heart pixer!

todd_15

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:33

i always had a soft spot for dreamworks _________________

FRA
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:58

I really don't love this kind of movie animations.... I'm still affectioned with the Walt Disney classic cartoons and i like them all One for all: DUMBO! _________________ http://www.myspace.com/frajamiroquaiaddicted www.jamitaly.altervista.org

Dye
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 17:25

DrPhunk wrote:

Pixar gets my vote for best studio. By far they have been the most consistent (both in commercial/critical success and quality) across a number of films. They were the first with a full-length CGI film - Toy Story - which was a massive success, and they haven't looked back since.

Pixar appears to have the younger-audience formula down to a fine art - just look at the huge suceess of Monster's Inc., Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Bugs Life, etc. - yet they still appeal to an older audience. I laughed till I hurt whilst watching Finding Nemo. They took a big risk with The Incredibles - but it paid off. Everything they touch seems to turn to gold so they get my vote for the number one animation house!

Great topic Diego!

Totally with you there!

And is true, Dreamworks takes movies to a darker level, which isn't a bad thing. But 'Pixar' has been developing his technique since 1986 or something (I don't remember correctly, but there's a short film in one of the movies, where the lamp from the logo appears for the first time) and you can't believe they did that so early! I also know that they improve a lot from one film to another. From 'Finding Nemo' to 'The Incredibles', their computers were twice as fast.

As for 'Blue Sky', definetely they may have to work hard on the scripts. I mean, they may not be that bad, but they fell short with the competition, perhaps. I still didn't see 'Robots', I'll tell you next week about it, but I believe that from 'Ice Age' to 'Robots' they have a sooo much better technology than Dreamworks. Every little thing that appears is made from scratch (I read an interview about Robots, and when I say the trailer they were right), cause everything is created with metal parts of common things.
If you see something like that in 'Shark Tale', for example, the doors and stuff seem like painted, like background.
Is hard to describe, but as a fan of this movies, I always watch that kind of things.

D! (dyego)

mandy
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 20:42

hey diego Ive always wondered if the logo for Pixar (the lamp) came from an older movie called The Brave Little Toaster http://www.fpsmagazine.com/review/toaster.shtml this article was saying...The movie is also notable for animation fans because one of the animators is Pixar's own John Lasseter- maybe he took the lamp with him when he left? (btw doesnt the description of the third movie make you laugh?)

Saffy7
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 20:46

Although Dreamworks have produced some good movies, my vote goes to Pixar, purely because I loved The Incredibles and Cars looks like a hit too. I'm definately taking my boyfriend to see it when it's released! Claire.x.

Jamirobruno2

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 06:47

PIXAR IS THE BEEST OF THE BEEST!!!!!! _________________ ..::There´s a Superman coming::..

Catman

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 07:50

pixar maybe the bestest but i really admire dreamworks for there new styles of animation for Shrek1 and 2 !! they really out did themselves!

Dye
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 17:25

BLUE SKY! Hello Jamirotalkers, I saw 'Robots' yesterday (note: BLUE SKY company, the one that made 'Ice Age'), and I gotta say, I'm impressed of how they improve from their last movie!!!! Is definetely ahead of Dreamworks in terms of animation and design (just watch the movie, and you'll see everything done is just... beautiful, everything created from scratch!). Still, they need to keep working on the story, but this one was really really good!! So, my list goes: first 'PIXAR', second 'BLUE SKY', and far 'DREAMWORKS' ('Shark Tale' was.... pure crap). See 'Robots', and watch the sequence where the main character comes to town... is perfectly made! A delight for your eyes an ears ! D! (dyego)

mr.az

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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 05:22

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JamiroFan2000
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 18:31

Hello, Weird to see old topics popping back up into interest . Anyway, to the topic at hand, I frankly am a little sick of all the American Computer Animation lack of creative growth. I mean, we flock to these movis to see the animators humanize every inanimate or animate object in a extremely cute way, be it from ants to toys to EVEN NASCARS! I'm not condemning all CGI animations, but I have seen a AMAZING progression of it in Japan especially, I mean, Square Enix have so far put 2 of the MOST AMAZING movies of this genre. 2001's "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" and this year's "Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children", of no relation, showcase how CGI can express and emote more emotion out of adult characters than a pair of real overpaid hollywood actors or actresses. But the process of making these kind of detailed CGI takes a while, almost 4-6 years, but still you see progression of the artform, not laxing on their laurels and pretending to be childlike all the time throwing a few adult joke curveballs into the mix. But all I have said could be considered irrelevant since CGI is still in it's infancy, but that's just my take on this. Peace! Sincerely, JamiroFan2000 _________________

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