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Sandriche
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yes true..i never thought of that..omg who can u trust in this net ...lol
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CosmicMouse
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 20:26 |
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Ha! So in other words... that guy (you are mocking about) who was posting that scan of the old schoolbook could be right indeed.... you never know! 
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 20:30 |
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maybe
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 20:49 |
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Yes...err...I have to admit he could be right  . Meike you're right, wikipedia is not 100% trustable, it's not a good proof to show the veridicity of a statement  .
We should mind this question if we will meet Jay at some gig...
...what makes me is that he have got many stories to tell, it's like: "hey I'm a big friend of Jay, let me tell you what we done together" VIP mania...
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Deja
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 23:21 |
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boch I dont know...I don't remember from which source I got that...but I was sure...untill Meike showed us how easy it is that this is not true, I must admit I'm a totally idiot in this thinks, if you tell me eggs are blue in Argentina I simply trust untill I can't watch it with my own eyes..I trust to much this Internet world probably!!
Anyway...can you explain me what is a second name?? in italy is like this : me I'm Verena my first name, Michela my second one and then my surname, but Michela still is a name not a surname. it that clear?? mmmm Cheetham to mee sounds like a surname whatever it is...cant get it!!
even if he's really a close school friend of Jay as I said before I found it sad that he have to "live" on someonelse fame! is like he has nothing interesting!!
Am I do bad??
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 00:43 |
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| Deja wrote: |
| I must admit I'm a totally idiot in this thinks, if you tell me eggs are blue in Argentina I simply trust untill I can't watch it with my own eyes..I trust to much this Internet world probably!! |
But Vere, eggs ARE blue in Argentina. Where do you think the colours of the flag come from?
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| Anyway...can you explain me what is a second name?? in italy is like this : me I'm Verena my first name, Michela my second one and then my surname, but Michela still is a name not a surname. it that clear?? mmmm Cheetham to mee sounds like a surname whatever it is...cant get it!! |
I can't remember who wrote 'second name', but it was someone foreign (by which I mean English isn't their mother tongue). They meant MIDDLE name.
I also can't remember who asked if Jay has 'only one' surname (someone latin...), but the answer's yes, because nearly all of us in the UK (I'd say northern Europe but I don't know for certain) just have our father's surname, not the mother's. Jay's taken his mum's, for obvious reasons. Very very posh people (or people whose parents aren't married!) sometimes like to make themselves sound posher by using the surnames of both parents.
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samantha1170
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Here's an article that I posted at JPP earlier this year which mentions all the names that Jay's family has had ...
Star's secret past
From the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, first published Monday 10th Mar 1997.
THE Blackburn-born mother of Jamiroquai singer Jay Kay has bowed gracefully out of showbusiness to avoid spoiling his spiralling "street cred".
Once-famous impressionist, singer and actress Karen Kay refuses to give interviews about her son, who was also born in the town and christened Jason.
But she joined millions of fans to watch the acid-Jazz singer make the transition from British pop icon to international superstar at the Brit Awards. He wowed American soul diva Diana Ross during a duet, despite admitting he was nervous about the performance.
The event was a far cry from the limelight Karen herself craved as a wannabe star on an improvised stage at the cotton mill near her childhood home in Emerald Street, Blackburn.
Karen, who later became regular at the Starlight Club, Little Harwood, was tipped as The Face of 1979. She worked alongside Lenny Henry and David Copperfield on a series entitled Six Of A Kind, which eventually hit TV screens as Three Of A Kind - without her. An agent with the London Management Company, which once represented Karen, said: "She was a super lady but times change and she realised that there was no longer a call for her type of work.
"She was happy with what she had achieved and happy to slip out of the limelight.
"Many people have asked for interviews about her son and she has refused them all. She and her son now have a fantastic relationship but I think she decided she did not want to rock the boat for Jason and spoil his street cred. She is very proud of him."
Karen, who was born in Blackburn Infirmary, now lives in London.
Known to fans simply as Jay, her son moved with his mother and step-father Mervyn Kay to Manchester as a youngster. He has never met his natural father.
Jay's agent Dave Woolf says he then spent the majority of his early years travelling the world.
He added: "He moved around so much because of his mother's singing career.
"The place he stayed the longest was Ealing, in London." The affection they now share was temporarily put on hold when Karen threw Jason out after a row. He both blames her for the incident and appreciates her actions for sparking his creativity.
She later gladly attended his sell-out shows at the Royal Albert Hall.
But these only came after a period of homelessness which only ended when he started to make his mark in music.
It is five years since Jamiroquai - named after a musical jam and the Iroquois, an American Indian tribe - hit the big time.
In that time their albums, Emergency On Planet Earth, Return Of The Space Cowboy and Virtual Insanity, have sold almost four million copies.
The band formed in 1992 and created a massive underground buzz with the classic When You Gonna Learn, initially released on the independent Acid Jazz label. The track went on to spawn a music genre of its own.
A bidding war among major labels ended up with Sony Music handing over an eight album deal.
Jay's mum enjoyed some success in her entertainment career but fate has been even kinder to 28-year-old Jay, who boasts a string of Italian sports cars and supermodel girlfriend Tamsin Greenhill. The dude in the hat's latest coup has been to land the contract to produce a theme tune for ITV's new Grand Prix programme.
Karen Kay, real name Judith Adrienne Pringle, was born in Parsonage Road, Blackburn, and also lived in Emerald Street at Brownhill. Her grandparents, who were called Hesmondhalgh, ran the White Bull in Ribchester.
Her mother, Ethel Pringle, died when she was small and she was adopted by a family in Preston after a brief spell with the family of her cousin, Margaret Tomlinson, who lives in Parsonage Road.
However, Margaret and her cousin Allan Pemberton, 61, of Emerald Street, do not keep in touch with the former star.
Mr Pemberton said: "I know nothing about Jason and I haven't heard of Jamiroquai. I didn't realise I had such a famous member of my family. I watched a little bit of the Brit Awards and then turned it off because it was getting on my nerves."
But the clues about Karen's future star of a son were apparent in an interview she gave to the Lancashire Evening Telegraph in 1983.
"He's a performer by nature," she said. "Sometimes I put my head in my hands and say: 'Oh, God, he's not going to turn out like me, is he?'
"I went to see him a school play the other day, and he was well over the top. I cringed - and later, when I was making polite conversation with his teachers, he came over and started showing off something rotten. I suppose it's my fault really."
Source: http://archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/1997/3/10/832886.html
As you can see there are lots of names being thrown around hehe - but it seems like Kay was his step-father's name, Pringle was his mother's real name and Luis Silveira was his real father's name - but Cheetham who knows, it's mainly on Wikipedia and maybe people have just taken it from there without researching it - either way, it's a lotta names
SAMANTHA
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Deja
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:44 |
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ahahahah Sam...so blue eggs eh??
ah ok now I got it thanks, even here we take surnames only by the father side ..apart if he does not reconnaise the kid or if the kid once he's grown ask to the judges to chance it in his mother one...is not really metter what his surname his..I was just wondering x this school friend!!
anyway Cheetham doesen't sound portuguise to me!!
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:49 |
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Thanks Samantha for the article and Sam and Verena for making me smile about argie eggs .
It's pretty clear then that Jay's mother used Karen Kay as a AKA and it's not her actual name and surname
 This yields that on Jay's passport the surname Kay can't appear and so the guy on JPP is fooling us around.
Is this the final sentence?
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funkmonkey
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:06 |
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Yeah FunkyDonkey, I think it's "case closed" mate. I asked Jay about it last night at the pub when we went to see his mum singing karaoke and he says he's never heard of the guy
p.s thanks for the article samantha, very interesting indeed.
and you guys are right about Wiki. I remember not too long ago there was a Wiki-hijacking craze going on with people from all over randomly changing Wiki pages with useless or incorrect info for (supposed) fun 
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 13:37 |
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| funkmonkey wrote: |
| I asked Jay about it last night at the pub when we went to see his mum singing karaoke and he says he's never heard of the guy |
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 17:34 |
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that was too funny funkmonkey "sentence of the thread"
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 17:55 |
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I think the name Cheetham comes from the place of living...
so Jason "from" Cheetham became Jason Cheetham
As we can see from Sams article the family moved to Manchester for a while. Cheetham is a township in the manchester district
Just to move on the speculations
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