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deesh
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| Knjaz wrote: |
| John Lennon was right... Religions ARE bad. |
Religion is very, very, very important in my life. I don't come off as a Christian to many people, because I don't force it on anyone, although it is who I am. I go to church every week and have very strong faith and spirituality. I think the problem is the generalizations that people have about religion. There are some things that I have issues with as far as Christianity is concerned, some things I don't practice, but that's okay by me. Because I'm growing within my faith and learning about it daily.
All of us religious people aren't these fanatics who force feed the Bible down anyones throat or go around preaching. I've never once probably brought this up on Jamirotalk until now. Matter of fact, my next tattoo is a bible verse, which I love...and it really has nothing do with God, as much as it has to do with self and life altogether.
And although it is something I was raised with, it was my choice to come back to it. So while the view of Christianity and those that represent Christianity in the public sucks, it's really how the individual chooses to practice it. I think it's funny that people who aren't religious judge those that are religious. Quite an irony.
Respect.
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orlan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 13:48 |
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Love this post, completely agree with you Deesh  |
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Maxud
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 14:22 |
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im not a member of any chruch and i dont go to church to pray to god.
but religion is important for me.
i have no rules but people told me that im religious...
my god is deep inside my soul
i only believe what i want to believe.
i dont believe a person that wants to tell me that god is only friendly
in my religion there exist no god just a few percent destiny (im not in a sect)
to say that religion is something bad thats untrue.
i think that everytime when people hope and believe they have a religion (what are you for a kind of person when you have nothing to live for?)...
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the_doesman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 14:24 |
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| deesh wrote: |
I don't force it on anyone
Respect. |
I kept the two most important words/sentences in the quote. (not directed at you Deesh, just in general)
I'm not religious but I have respect for people who are and I (try to) respect their ways of life. Respect is the key word in a lot of things. I live (since oct. 2006) in a very religious village in which, in some cases, there isn't even a TV allowed because there are evil things on it (like sex). I respect that but don't force it on me and don't look bad at me because I do go out for a ride on the bike, watch tv or have sex on sunday - it's my life not yours.
The problem here is that they think god will help them which results (for example) to a lot more car accidents because of having faith that god will help them if something happens. There's a lot of speeding here because nothing can go wrong - god is with them.
anyway - I was raised with a religion but pretty early on I didn't believe anymore, once I was a grown up (18 y.o.) I was allowed to choose for myself.
about sect's. Some of them will be bad some of them not. Some will believe in them some not. It will always be that way - just hope they don't force anyone into something they don't want. |
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deesh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 14:33 |
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| the_doesman wrote: |
| deesh wrote: |
I don't force it on anyone
Respect. |
II live (since oct. 2006) in a very religious village in which, in some cases, there isn't even a TV allowed because there are evil things on it (like sex). |
Funny you say that...that is how my Grandmother (the one I don't get along with) was raised and tried to raise my father. That didn't work. She now has a TV and such, but at one point, she didn't.
Anyway, I'm not naive or misinformed about the damage many religions do or can do. I am aware of the problems it has caused and the wars it has helpe ignite. I am aware of the ignorance also. I don't think that having God in my life makes me superior or better, nor do I think that it will fix everything, but I do know that I'm extremely blessed, and underneath it all, religion is part of my foundation.
I just hope that I can be an example to others that not all religious people are how they may perceive.
I don't know enough about Scientology to speak of it really..only what I've heard through others, so I can't really comment on the topic in general.
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mr.az
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 16:14 |
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| jameerica wrote: |
same here...just that we don't have a Pope 
i think that pope john paul II was a rather cool guy...the new one is like hitler |
as i know, he was a militar in the hitler times(i mean , the new pope ratzinger  )
dam hell, i think, u must live the live in the way u want to do it
but the thing that i really reject is that the religion can ''rule'' your life... 
dont forget in the past there's cruzades(sorry the misspelling)only trying to convert them all the people to christianism...i mean
YOU MUST CHOSEE what religion u follow, cant be a conversion if u dont believe that...that's why i like the hindu religion...
i chosse it, but anyways only i learn a few things...
so chosse people
dont let the government or the conversions let your ideas down
and i respect other religions, but i dont like the fact that ONE religion try to say''all the others religions sucks'', that's not the kind of religion i can respect
we are free, we can chosse
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 18:58 |
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| i think that pope john paul II was a rather cool guy...the new one is like hitler |
True, true.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Palpatine
Deesha, yeah, I have all respect for your opinions on religion, and I understand just how much it is important to you (it's also important to me, in fact, I think that the ten commandments are pretty much the ultimate rulebook, but some people go too far with it all), but I don't think you'd love being generalised as one of those bible-shooting fanatics who gun down and consider immoral anything that 'isn't Christian'... After all, it's pretty much common knowledge that some supremacy groups (of various kinds) are, or were at some point in time, supported by the Vatican.
The vatican is just a filthy place that has nothing to do with REAL Christianity. Christ wanted peace for all, not fanaticism and "my religion is better than yours 'cause we can shove the bible down your throat and you're not allowed to complain about it" shit... |
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Jamiroquanna
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 19:25 |
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Deesh - am totally loving your words! Just what I needed to read right now 
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mr.az
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 19:26 |
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| Knjaz wrote: |
| The vatican is just a filthy place that has nothing to do with REAL Christianity. Christ wanted peace for all, not fanaticism and "my religion is better than yours 'cause we can shove the bible down your throat and you're not allowed to complain about it" shit... |
agree
and what about how many money the vatican have?????
i think god wants to all we have the same rights and we live without wars but the vatican dont care about ...and the vatican is full of money(dont forget, gold things wtf?)...if the vatican use that money for help poor people around the world things can change better...but they dont care about it 
if they were really working in the name of god doing things im sure they will not support the war 
but ratzinger dont say nothing to stop the italian troops to irak, and less the bush-blair troops that go in 2003...
they only have the power of do nothing to help the world
shit
there's alot of people who cares more the world than this people
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jameerica
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 20:09 |
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gosh knjaz it's brilliant!
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deesh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 21:52 |
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| Jamiroquanna wrote: |
| Deesh - am totally loving your words! Just what I needed to read right now |
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 22:47 |
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I am going to remain out of this discussion because having a degree and a very deep interest in religious studies, it frustrates me to hear the way most people talk about the subject. So whilst I'd love to jump in, I'm going to resist the temptation. Except to reply to one thing Deesh is wondering about.
| deesh wrote: |
| I don't know enough about Scientology to speak of it really..only what I've heard through others, so I can't really comment on the topic in general. |
Just take it from a (sort of) qualified anthropological student of religious studies, Deesh, Scientology is not a religion, it's a cult. The same is true of (for example) the Watchtower Society (AKA Jehovah's Witnesses). There's a big difference between the way these were formed, the way they operate in the modern world and their very focus, and that of religious movements.
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