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Ivy
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I send my condolences  and best wishes to your friends jamirofan.
I think what shocks everyone about this is the fact that these group shootings always occurs in a school setting .
with all the violence around I wouldn't want to be another person carrying a gun . I saw some tv news segment focusing on louisiana and the violence there after Katrina and they showed I guess people who you'd never expect to purchase a gun buy one/use one. in other words gun sales are going real well down there because of the growing violence. buying a gun to thwart a bullet from hitting you isn't the solution i don't think so?! a very frustrating situation I guess . When the sniper shooting occured I don't think people thought when I see this dude point at me I will shoot him back , it was more like I'll pump my 'regular' gas and duck.
again my condolences, its sad that we have troops "protecting our freedom"  when we're destroying ours ( one insane guy/ or any other indivudual "protecting' themselves). i hope that made sense |
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 17:22 |
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| Ivy wrote: |
I think what shocks everyone about this is the fact that these group shootings always occurs in a school setting .
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Not always babe...they also occur in shopping malls, and workplaces like factories and wharehouses.
JGrizz - great post. GREAT!
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Ivy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 17:43 |
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very true , how did i forget? !
one occured over the summer in an annapolis mall in maryland, the capitol building shooting in D.c. sometime in the 90's, it happened outside too all over dc/md/va (snipershooting)... and of course all add on all of the on-going gang violence (ms-13) between kids in this area sad truth
I it happens in the night clubs too
lol I ran and ran luckily no one was hurt 
I guess what I wanted to say was the shock value is in this case was the number of lives lost in comparison to all the past school shootings. I mean for it to recieve national/international attention. |
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 18:01 |
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i saw it the first time on the news now..some interviews and animations from the building and what has happened...
brent...  
all these families...they must be so sad, angry and terrified
and what did mr bush just say? he doesn´t see any reason for any new weapon laws.. no reason????
i am aware of that it wouldn´t really change anything as jonas and some of u already have mentioned..but why NOT change them..
the world won´t help together to save the humans...they prefer to build more weapons ( i don´t want to start talking about the euro-fighters now), and raise more fear and aggression...
for which reason??
i really ask myself..to rule the world? aren´t they aware of the responsibility they have concerning happenings now and in future? u should assume they have knowledge and intelligence....loads of education..but no soul education
i got many "why" in my head right now
USA - 350 000 crimes with shooting weapons each year - 11 000 deads - more than 200 Million guns and rifles privately owned (legal?)
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mr.az
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 19:40 |
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| Sandriche wrote: |
the world won´t help together to save the humans...they prefer to build more weapons ( i don´t want to start talking about the euro-fighters now), and raise more fear and aggression...
for which reason??
i really ask myself..to rule the world? aren´t they aware of the responsibility they have concerning happenings now and in future? u should assume they have knowledge and intelligence....loads of education..but no soul education
i got many "why" in my head right now
USA - 350 000 crimes with shooting weapons each year - 11 000 deads - more than 200 Million guns and rifles privately owned (legal?) |
sadly, money rule the world
that's why we have the wars, because they want the power to have all the middle east oil...and obviusly they're happy to see people with guns, because they give more money to the people who build weapons, is the same people who like to start wars only because the money profit 
so, i wish we can do something
but if the money still runs the world ...
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sally
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 21:37 |
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brent i hope your friend recovers very soon. my thought s are with everyone involved students and their families. i was shocked at the delay between the first shootings and the campus lockdown. i am glad i didn't have to make that decision
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Gonza-Arg
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 05:23 |
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I send my condolences to all the families, and all the people affected by this..
this is just... a nightmare.. it's terrible...
there's not very much to say that hasn't been said...
And of course Bush doesn't care in changing the gun laws, he is shurely involved in the gun traffic, one of the world's best paid bussines... so if he has a heart he'll do something... this can't continue, more than 30 people died only because of 1 guy with a gun...
They look like numbers in the news, but each one of the victims had a life, and all of a sudden someone came and took it away from them... |
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MissyM
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 06:34 |
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| Gonza-Arg wrote: |
And of course Bush doesn't care in changing the gun laws, he is shurely involved in the gun traffic, one of the world's best paid bussines... so if he has a heart he'll do something...... |
I have a few CHOICE words I use to describe that Pres. Bush!!!.. Such a terrrible tragedy and to think that it possibly could have been avoided if they had of shut the campus down!!.. Unbelievable that they went on "Buisiness and Usual" after there had been the first two shootings!!! If that had happened here (1st two shootings and gunman still on the loose).. Our police would have shut down the whole friggin suburb not just the campus.. Incredible that this did not happen!!...
I'm not going to comment much on the gun control laws as I think SpaceClav and jgrizz said it all and I agree completely... I watched the doco long time ago about "bowling for columbine" it was very interesting and exposed the fact the gun control is exactly the same in Canada as in USA but they don't have these kind of shootings.. So I am at a loss as to why these things happen.. Very Sad..
OK -- I have to add the Emails have already started doing the rounds so you all will probably be getting these from ppl soon in your inboxes.. soo here you are for those who are interested.. I am not sure if this is legit and appologise if this site is false but this is Very very Disturbing if it is tru.. 2 plays that were written by the gunman cho...
WARNING: the plays contain profanity and scenes with disturbing content.
http://newsbloggers.aol.com:80/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/
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deesh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:45 |
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Damn it...I really tried to just read these responses and not comment, but I can't help it. I apologize for the longevity...
I really hear what you all are saying and I couldn't stomach reading every comment honestly and it's because - I live in a city where there are over 112 murders so far this year. Do you know what its like to teach and be told that one of your students is dead or even in jail for murder? A student that is under 18? Do you know what its like to go into that jail and just see hopeless eyes? It's scary and something you will never forget.
These suggestions are great and I do hope weapons laws change, but I live in this real world day to day and it isn't as easy as you all would like it to be. Say we take away the guns - there is still economic disadvantage, drugs and alcohol - and the easy access to them in shitty neighborhoods where there are more stores to get alcohol than milk, shitty school systems, no funding for schools, racism, sexism, shitty health care, shitty environments, bad parenting, and mental disabilities being ignored, missed/unexposed opportunities, children being fed psychiatric drugs to dope them up instead of dealing with their problems....I could go on and on and on. On the flipside, there are people who have a great education, great environment, etc...and still shoot people. So, I'm not saying that only people with those factors murder people.
So while people are fighting and lobbying for better gun laws, shouldn't people be fighting and lobbying to address the issues above also? Where is the focus on that? All of these factors also contribute to the murders in the USA. Yes, guns are a big factor, but they recently found 3 people burned in a parking lot and there have been a few stabbings.
You want to know the really sad thing...out of the murders in my city this month, over half of the murderers haven't been caught, and its because witnesses and people that know things about the murder are afraid to speak up for fear of their life.
Do you think that this city hasn't tried to get the illegal guns off the street? We have. There have been numerous events where people can turn in their illegal guns with no questions asked and in return they get things like one year free at a university, 200 bucks to a grocery store, even vacations...and I don't know the current number, but I know one of those events turned in over 100 guns. Currently, we are going through an election process for our Mayor and the MAIN concern is guns. So while you don't see change on a National level - it's happening on a small scale - but we can only do so much.
I don't know how to feel right now about this shooting or the aftermath. There are a million things running through my head, so out of respect for the lives that were lost this week, I am joining my beautiful, but troubled country in praying and keeping them in my thoughts and doing whatever I can to help stop the bloodshed - but I can only do so much. I thank you all for your prayers and thoughts on the victims and their families.
My city is beautiful and full of life, but dealing with guns and death is part of our everyday life, our everyday news - not just one week, one month out of the year.
To answer you Sandriche - Bush and his wife were supposed to be going to Virginia Tech this week. I also heard there are already talks to change gun laws, but I don't think that was a national thing..just maybe a Virginia thing. I am not sure. But I hope that now that this happened in an "unexpected" place Bush will open his eyes.
People are walking around lost, hopeless, and confused....
There is another reality from what you all see on television and read online - it's a reality that I live. This is my beautiful, but troubled home.
Much love, Deesh
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:11 |
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I quicky read those two plays and I don't know what to think. IMHO it's not an evidence of mental disease (of course *if* those documents are true) as there are a lot of insane plays everywhere but yeah reading this after what happened...I'm speechless.
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DiscoStu
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 18:24 |
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I really wonder how can anyone reach this extreme. I'd like to say more but I simply can't.
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Lups_Jones
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 19:21 |
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Brent, hope your friend recovers soon.
When I heard the news I was shocked. Its very sad how things like that happen but I believe its not only a matter of laws against guns...
I live in Mexico City (a very different place than the US I know) and though we don't have cases such as the one of Virginia, I don't even have a clue of number of murders or kidnappings we have had here through the year.
I second deesh -again and again- that there are many economic disadvantages and gaps between the poorest and the richest. I always thought it was just a problem in Latin countries but I guess it seems to be problem in all the world.... cuz I might be wrong, but for me, these gaps between the richest and the poorest creates a mood of anger and hate... then give those guys with less oportunities a "legal" gun, and sit down to see the rest...
(sorry if my english is not correct...) |
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Ms.P
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 21:12 |
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My condolences to the US - hope your friend gets better Brent, terrible emotional trauma.
and my condolences to Iraq for 200 plus killed today in Baghdad.
It's a fucked up world.
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 21:20 |
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guess what one of our politicians here in austria suggested today...
" i want a not so strict weapon law..also normal citizens should have the opportunity to have access to guns etc...to protect themselves...also people in certain jobs as docs, taxidriver ..should be allowed to have a gun.."
  
perfect timing to announce suggestions like that 
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Lups_Jones
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 17:27 |
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| Sandriche wrote: |
guess what one of our politicians here in austria suggested today...
" i want a not so strict weapon law..also normal citizens should have the opportunity to have access to guns etc...to protect themselves...also people in certain jobs as docs, taxidriver ..should be allowed to have a gun.."
perfect timing to announce suggestions like that |
 How smart!!! Politicians, they are sooooooo stupid sometimes... |
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