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deesh
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Just remember that everyone is different.
I know someone that has smoked weed daily since before I was born. He is one of the hardest working men I know, hasn't been diagnosed with lung cancer (and has been screened since he smokes cigs) and doesn't really appear or give the paranoia vibe off.
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ophone
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 15:06 |
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Then he's one of the rare people who can take their mary-jane.
Most people I know change their behaviour after having taken cannabis, and this effect doesn't only last a few hours, like with alcohol, but days, even weeks.
To be honest, I'm myself for more tolerant politics concerning marijuana, even if I can't smoke it anymore. If alcohol is legal why is cannabis illegal. I don't understand this. Because cannabis is as dangerous as alcohol. My problem is that I'm a cannabinolic  , as soon as I take one pull from a joint I'm in my paranoid world, where everyone on Earth knows me and everyone can read my mind. This is a form of psychose and nothing to laugh about, because at a certain point I began speaking to those inexistent voices I heard and didn't speak to real voices anymore
My mistake was that I took too much cannabis at a certain period of my life, like half a dozen of joints per day for several months. But I have to admit, there are people who can take it better than me, just like alcohol is dangerous to some people.
My point is, cannabis is nothing to trivialize about.
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 15:09 |
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I think with anything, you need to know your limit with weed, and be in control of it or it can be harmful and consume and change your life for the negative.
The same thing can be said about some foods, sex, shopping and other habits though honestly...
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ophone
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 15:30 |
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True.
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AP
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 18:34 |
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The negative side of m.j. was the meaning behind my post which, surprisingly no one has commented on... (does that make me a troll? crap) Yeah there are some benefits to the drug- the medical industry does not doubt that as there are drugs commonly used by the public which tap on the same mechanisms that m.j. does. The problem I think is a) it messes with your critical thinking processes combined with b) people will tend to overuse it - or for purposes where its not necessary. This whole "oh its organic" thing is kind of nonsense, in the brain it acts acts just like pills in the bottle act- because hey, thats where that knowledge came from. Good book on the subject of that "Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice" by Mark J. Plotkin, PhD. Well peace to yall, hope you didnt get offended  |
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 18:48 |
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| AP wrote: |
| The negative side of m.j. was the meaning behind my post which, surprisingly no one has commented on... (does that make me a troll? crap) Yeah there are some benefits to the drug- the medical industry does not doubt that as there are drugs commonly used by the public which tap on the same mechanisms that m.j. does. The problem I think is a) it messes with your critical thinking processes combined with b) people will tend to overuse it - or for purposes where its not necessary. This whole "oh its organic" thing is kind of nonsense, in the brain it acts acts just like pills in the bottle act- because hey, thats where that knowledge came from. Good book on the subject of that "Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice" by Mark J. Plotkin, PhD. Well peace to yall, hope you didnt get offended |
That site is blocked here, so I can't look at the video - my bad! 
Your A and B sounds like many prescribed drugs especially the ones given to "rowdy and attention deficit" children. Also, A and B sounds like many painkillers that people tend to use after being prescribed for an ailment. Also A and B sounds like many sleep aid drugs also.
I don't smoke weed, but I still feel hypocritical saying I have a problem with marijuana, but not with oxycotin or ritalin. I rather see a movement for stoping giving kids drugs for their behavior, then one for marijuana, honestly.
Ophone - That guy I speak of (my father) isn't an isolated case in my community. There are many others that don't have those negative side effects you mentioned. Well, they don't to my knowledge. Now, there is a guy I know that abuses it (in his 20's) and he is so paranoid - it drives me crazy, but he is not lazy. I also think he puts something else in the joint when he smokes, but that could be speculation.
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AP
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 19:27 |
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I don't find a problem with the prescribing of those substances for valid medical issues but instead with overprescribing. The whole kids medicine issue is another handbag... shifting gears into that, there are people, kids included, who have or suffer from (suffer being the key word here) conditons that impair them. These people have a valid medical reason for taking those medicines, they are like people who have diabetes and take insulin. These people have a real and valid medical condition.
Back to m.j.: Honestly though, admit it- most of the people who are taking m.j. are taking it on a fairly frequent basis, - thats what the culture around m.j. calls for. It could even be said that the effects of taking m.j. on a regular basis helps maintain this culture- the drug facilitates people into thinking they are feel closer with others or more connected...
its a shame though that the clip didnt work... its classic |
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 19:39 |
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I disagree the majority of people really suffer from a valid medical condition, especially children. While I do believe some do have ADD/ADHD, I am convinced that many of them are too quickly diagnosed with this and as a result get on medicine at a young age that has lifetime effects. Many of these kids honestly - just are being kids and need some discipline. I honestly think parents and doctors are too quick to prescribe drugs for an ailment that the person honestly doesn't have.
Some people are valid, no doubt...but many aren't. I do agree about them being out of suffering. So, I agree with them being prescribed, but prescribed under the correct, valid and substancial reasons.
And you have to admit that many that have had these conditions, say back pain - abuse the drugs..so it isn't about getting them out of suffering anymore - it is more about getting them high and puts them (in my opinion) in the same category as marijuana users.
I agree with your last paragraph on m.j. and definitely agree that most people do it frequently and that does help maintain the culture.
I just sent the clip to my email, so I'll rememember to check it when I get home. 
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ophone
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 22:09 |
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| deesh wrote: |
I am convinced that many of them are too quickly diagnosed with this and as a result get on medicine at a young age that has lifetime effects. Many of these kids honestly - just are being kids and need some discipline. I honestly think parents and doctors are too quick to prescribe drugs for an ailment that the person honestly doesn't have.
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You're absolutely right on that!
I think the major cause of this is that nowadays even mothers have to have a job and can't care enough for their children on an emotional level, for instance to teach them a kind of life discipline.
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Deja
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 09:43 |
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Jamirocat, here the secondary effect of you wonderdrug:
-extreme lazyness
-lung cancer (in fact cannabis is much stronger than tobacco)
-paranoïa |
well I'm sorry but herb doesn't give me laziness..at the contrary I'm a lazy person and it helps me to get mooving and do things ( clean the house )
about lung cancer my father had it and he wasn't smoking ganja since 20 years or so ( but he was drinking like hell )
and paranoia? sorry but what do you smoke in Bruxelles? i should came visit I never had effect that lasts for days, never got in Paranoia ( I would say that of Coke for sure but herb?? no at all) and my behaviour stay the same..ah no I get more sweet smoked as my boyfriend say.
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Maxud
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:31 |
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the effect is differen from person to person!
when i was jounger i smoked it and everything was good and green.
but im getting older and changed more or less my life. today i dont smoke that shit because when you smoke it youre more or less a child that cant handle right with difficult situations.
i want to keep the control in my life!
ive tried it again but i feel that this is not the right thing for me anymore. ok smoke a joint with freinds in good situations is still ok. but i feel that when i smoke it i see the world different not only on this one day (that doesnt mean that im stoned)
weed is a psychedelic drug which has a different effect from person to person
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ragadoodles
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:26 |
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Fact is: you have to controll the drug, never the drug controll you.
I smoke since 20 years...sometimes every day,sometimes not for month.
But after a hard and busy week nothing is better than sitting in warm bubble bath with a joint and good music to free my mind.
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ophone
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 14:01 |
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| Deja wrote: |
| sorry but what do you smoke in Bruxelles? i should came visit |
Why Brussels? I'm not living in Belgium!
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Cosmic Girl
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 15:14 |
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Why Brussels? I'm not living in Belgium! |
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Deja
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 00:57 |
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| Cosmic Girl wrote: |
| ophone wrote: |
Why Brussels? I'm not living in Belgium! |
.....................Luxembourg |
then in Luxemburg ...and from the pics you've posted it would be a pleasure!
anyway I agree with ragadoodles the important thing is to controll it and understand your limits..that means situation in which you like to smoke ( good idea the buble bath) and in which you don't like, if you are confortable or not with it, when and how to do it.
About medicine sometime I ask myself why here we need thousands and in places like Denmark they have 300/400 and about medicines like Ritalin I wonder how cames that once the medicine is out to sells all of a sudden there are 5/6 milions kids sick of that only in the USA...should be the opposite you're sick and someone find che cure, most of the time it works that the medicine is "descovered" so that we have a sickness with a proper name.
I'm not saying that all kids are fine and they have no problems or that people suffering or having real deseases should not take a cure, at all, but is true that it's easy to get medicines and are overused at least in Italy.
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