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John Doggett
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| ophone wrote: |
| Dye wrote: |
I really think they should attempt something bigger, a conceptual or even a double album with lots of instrumentals, and maybe an overall theme to carry over the entire thing.
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I totally agree! |
Me too ! 
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Zsoma
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 05:42 |
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| John Doggett wrote: |
| ophone wrote: |
| Dye wrote: |
I really think they should attempt something bigger, a conceptual or even a double album with lots of instrumentals, and maybe an overall theme to carry over the entire thing.
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I totally agree! |
Me too ! |
Couldn't agree more Dye, they have literally nothing to lose since the fanbase is already shrinking and they have no record label, commercially their music would never be acclaimed given the mainstream trends nowadays but at lest they could win back some die hard fans they lost in the recent 10 years... |
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 04:40 |
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I really think they should attempt something bigger, a conceptual or even a double album with lots of instrumentals, and maybe an overall theme to carry over the entire thing. |
actually that would be a great idea!
my idea to whatever theme was having the songs continue on to the next, as in Marvin's "What's Going On" album, like a never-ending party!
but I think in music, you have to be led to it,
and not just make an outline and design accordingly.
I think they'll just produce what comes naturally next.
but to try to create something to please everybody is impossible! |
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Curry
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 23:16 |
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| HoneyBee wrote: |
I think they'll just produce what comes naturally next.
but to try to create something to please everybody is impossible! |
I prefer they create whatever comes naturally, than to create something that feels forced or scraped from the bottom of the barrel.
I know some people like Angeline, but I felt that and Love Blind are examples of songs that were forcefully pushed out because nothing else was there.
Usually when something comes naturally, it can be said that it came from the heart. It difference is pretty evident and it's loved so much more.
But, you're right. They can't please everyone. |
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Dye
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 03:24 |
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I see what you're saying.
I think that, and this is all just a theory of mine, when they try to do things like Love Blind or Angeline as you say, is like they're trying to be a little bit more rock-y, but they are not as good at rock as they are to what comes naturally for them: they're amazing, and probably the current best band, at jazzy, soul, funky and disco melodies. They are good with rhythm.
If they want to explore new territories, which is more than ok for me, maybe they could explore jazz. I remember reading that Jay wanted to do a jazz album many years ago, and I think if they make a record with less rock-driven tracks, and get more soulful, jazzier, (like the Herbie Hancock's fusion era from the 60's, 70's albums) they can make one hell of a record because they are just perfect at improvising, and adding layers of instruments and just playing along with a beat. Rock music doesn't provide that much of musical diversity, which is what they are amazing at, specially live. I wish they could bring some of that live energy they have into the albums.
When they play live, they are just having fun, creating new and exciting versions, with different sounds and arrangements. On the albums they are more focused on creating just a 3 or 4 minute track, always limited to the structure of a typical song. Is like they create the song, clean and tight, but only when they reproduce it live is when it comes alive and more interesting, mainly because they start playing around with the melodies and the instruments and it just gets a lot richier, musically speaking. You know what I mean? Is hard to explain.
That's the stuff they should put on the albums. |
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Curry
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 08:28 |
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Oh man, I SO wish they'd plant some random jam sessions in as some b-sides.
My feelings were more based on, I guess, the creation process itself and not just the sort of genre they're taking up.
I do believe these guys can do rock. I actually liked Hurtin', but I believe this only because it was evident to me that Jay's creative juices were running on high and it just seemed to gel together.
I mean, to me there's an empty song, and then there's a full song. Angeline is like the bottomed-out crack whore of bonus tracks...just didn't seem...right. I dunno. Can't explain it right I guess. I just find the whole thing to be trashy, incomplete, and empty. Like it was thrown together. |
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Dye
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 13:18 |
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Hurtin' was one of the examples I was gonna talk about, and then I forgot. I do like the track, but it gets repetitive and goes nowhere. Instead, the live versions -specially the one... I think it was the one in Amsterdam- did something interesting, adding horns and just expanding the track, not just in length but in quality.
And I understand what you say about Angeline. Maybe that's why is just a b-side. |
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iranterres
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 17:02 |
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A jazz fusion album would flow naturaly on them, you guys pointed very well.
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Curry
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 20:22 |
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| Dye wrote: |
Hurtin' was one of the examples I was gonna talk about, and then I forgot. I do like the track, but it gets repetitive and goes nowhere. Instead, the live versions -specially the one... I think it was the one in Amsterdam- did something interesting, adding horns and just expanding the track, not just in length but in quality.
And I understand what you say about Angeline. Maybe that's why is just a b-side. |
Hahaha @ Angeline comment. So true!
I guess Hurtin' sounded like that because it held a Blues-like atmosphere? The nature of the song hit me that way, even though the guitars suggested rock. There were just different elements in the song and I ended up enjoying it. One thing held down one area, another thing held down another area, and it just seemed to mix in their own way. I mean, after all, the band started out being an infusion band, so I think it only natural that they continue mixing it up. I don't think there's a single song that's purely 1 thing.....wait...I take that back. There were some songs on Dynamite that was pure House. |
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HoneyBee
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Yes I think Hurtin' is definitely blues/rock, with the guitar as center. It's a good tune, it's just phrased differently than other tunes. It ends abruptly. And that voice! I like it.
Angeline is only a bonus tune, so didn't really make the cut. crack whore? 
I think when you write a tune, you probably start with an idea.
And some take off, and some don't.
Jazz fusion would be good, they've taken the effort to bring back the brass. it seems like a lot of music is fusion, no pure genre. It's not really about what category it fits, but if the music is good -gets you dancing or crying!
@Curry -which ones on Dynamite would be House? |
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smellbob
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I'm gonna repeat myself.
He just needs to release a single that doesn't necessarily have to have the general jamiro sound but just something that is modern and would do well in the United States preferably as that has the biggest and successful music scene.
That will hopefully get new fans hooked onto the album (if there is one), which can have more laid back tracks.
"Feels just like it should" is a good example.
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Dye
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| smellbob wrote: |
I'm gonna repeat myself.
He just needs to release a single that doesn't necessarily have to have the general jamiro sound but just something that is modern and would do well in the United States preferably as that has the biggest and successful music scene.
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I don't want to burst your bubble, but I really think they have no intentions to seduce the United States any time soon. They made that pretty clear with RDLS, with a 2-year delay in the release and no tour. |
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HoneyBee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 00:01 |
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well then, we'll take Shuffler |
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John Doggett
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 13:11 |
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| Dye wrote: |
I see what you're saying.
I think that, and this is all just a theory of mine, when they try to do things like Love Blind or Angeline as you say, is like they're trying to be a little bit more rock-y, but they are not as good at rock as they are to what comes naturally for them: they're amazing, and probably the current best band, at jazzy, soul, funky and disco melodies. They are good with rhythm.
If they want to explore new territories, which is more than ok for me, maybe they could explore jazz. I remember reading that Jay wanted to do a jazz album many years ago, and I think if they make a record with less rock-driven tracks, and get more soulful, jazzier, (like the Herbie Hancock's fusion era from the 60's, 70's albums) they can make one hell of a record because they are just perfect at improvising, and adding layers of instruments and just playing along with a beat. Rock music doesn't provide that much of musical diversity, which is what they are amazing at, specially live. I wish they could bring some of that live energy they have into the albums.
When they play live, they are just having fun, creating new and exciting versions, with different sounds and arrangements. On the albums they are more focused on creating just a 3 or 4 minute track, always limited to the structure of a typical song. Is like they create the song, clean and tight, but only when they reproduce it live is when it comes alive and more interesting, mainly because they start playing around with the melodies and the instruments and it just gets a lot richier, musically speaking. You know what I mean? Is hard to explain.
That's the stuff they should put on the albums. |
Very good analysis as usual. I understood what you mean. I hope the band take a look to this post ! 
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Curry
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 14:21 |
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| smellbob wrote: |
I'm gonna repeat myself.
He just needs to release a single that doesn't necessarily have to have the general jamiro sound but just something that is modern and would do well in the United States preferably as that has the biggest and successful music scene.
That will hopefully get new fans hooked onto the album (if there is one), which can have more laid back tracks.
"Feels just like it should" is a good example. |
1. Europe may be smaller, landwise, but they have more people. There are a lot of artists, even from the US, who are more popular there than on hometurf.
2. Telling Jamiroquai to do anything besides what they do just so they can be popular here is for all intent and purposes selling out. I'd rather they not do that.
3. They are modern. |
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