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eviltimeban
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:32 |
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What's it gonna take to get JK singing about politics again?
Let's look at where we are. Trump is the president of the USA. Racism, homophobia, and sexism are all very much "on the menu". These issues are huge at the moment.
The world is getting hotter - 2016 was the hottest year on record since the pre-industrial age. This isn't improving.
Fundamentalism is rife - be it Islam or right-wing Christianity.
Speaking of right wing, we have politicians with these views making ground across Europe and the UK. UKIP, Marie Le Pen...
Brexit? Come on.
So why doesn't Jay sing about the important issues? There's a whole album there. What made EOPE so RELEVANT was the lyrical approach, add to that his liner notes on the original release and you've got a band and an artist with a PURPOSE. Sure, they were funky and we got down and boogied but at least there was something to think about as well.
It's "high time" that JK started looking at the world again and writing about it. Nobody does that now (and certainly not on UK number 1 albums), at a time we need it most.
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mr.az
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 00:10 |
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When this album is released we ill know if jay is singing again about politics, anyways, the automaton clip preview looks like a reflection on how bad the world has gone... _________________ Only a fool can walk away from me this time
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eviltimeban
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 |
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mr.az wrote: |
When this album is released we ill know if jay is singing again about politics, anyways, the automaton clip preview looks like a reflection on how bad the world has gone... |
Yes but song titles like "Shake It On", "Superfresh", "Hot Property", "Carla", "Summer Girl", "Dr Buzz" etc, don't suggest he's singing about anything other than girls and good times etc. Which is fair enough, but he was such a good lyricist back in the EOPE days, it's a shame he doesn't go back to that. |
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mr.az
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 18:37 |
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eviltimeban wrote: |
mr.az wrote: |
When this album is released we ill know if jay is singing again about politics, anyways, the automaton clip preview looks like a reflection on how bad the world has gone... |
Yes but song titles like "Shake It On", "Superfresh", "Hot Property", "Carla", "Summer Girl", "Dr Buzz" etc, don't suggest he's singing about anything other than girls and good times etc. Which is fair enough, but he was such a good lyricist back in the EOPE days, it's a shame he doesn't go back to that. |
Maybe the only politic themed song will be automaton?
I wonder if dr.buzz have something critic related... _________________ Only a fool can walk away from me this time
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Dye
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 19:37 |
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I remember Jay saying in an interview he pretty much said everything he wanted to.
He does sing about social/cultural/political issues from time to time. Virtual Insanity, Twenty Zero One, World That He Wants.
Rock Dust Light Star is more about religion, same with Starchild.
Automaton could be about that too, we'll know tomorrow.
Maybe we won't get another album filled with political themes. If the world goes to sh*t after Trump, maybe we will. Who knows. |
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HoneyBee
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 02:32 |
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Look, I love "The World that he Wants", and loved that Bush was written of in the liner notes! It was so funny because I had the same views!
But as an artist, you have to be cautious you don't drive some people away, if you only sing about Veganism, you'll lose some meat-eaters.
I'll bet Jami will have some general song or reference to politics. I'm hoping.
But I'd hate for Jamiroquai to be labeled against American politics, rather do it inconspicuously, in double entendres! Maybe they should write a song about the Pussy hat!
I can't stand Trump and his cabinet, and can't believe people support him. This is the modern reality. Some people suck.
Eviltimeban where are you from?
It's hard to write a timeless song about politics becoming dated. But there are things that are some things that are forever.
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Dye
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 02:37 |
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HoneyBee wrote: |
Look, I love "The World that he Wants", and loved that Bush was written of in the liner notes! It was so funny because I had the same views!
But as an artist, you have to be cautious you don't drive some people away, if you only sing about Veganism, you'll lose some meat-eaters.
I'll bet Jami will have some general song or reference to politics. I'm hoping.
But I'd hate for Jamiroquai to be labeled against American politics, rather do it inconspicuously, in double entendres! Maybe they should write a song about the Pussy hat!
I can't stand Trump and his cabinet, and can't believe people support him. This is the modern reality. Some people suck. |
One of the things I love most about Jay's lyrics is that a lot of the stuff can be applied to several things. Sure, World That He Wants was about Bush, but it could also be any other guy like that in history.
Apparently, Never Gonna Be Another was about a friend of his. But the lyrics could be about anyone you can relate to. A lot of lines in most songs are open to interpretation, and I really like that. It makes the songs a little deeper, and as you get older, some of the lyrics get new meanings. |
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mr.az
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 03:07 |
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Let't not forget even the ''light'' seven days in sunny june was censored, and that is a song of love and bittersweet, and i love the fact just a one lyric has made so much impact
Jay know how to sing about the universe, so, let's wait
Who knows in one of the''light'' songs there's a deeper lyric that says so much(like in many jamiroquai songs)
Those last years i've changed my way to write songs,because i found jay put many subtle critics in love songs, and i like the fact you can sing a love song thats say much more than just''you girl , you are so special'' _________________ Only a fool can walk away from me this time
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Curry
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 08:21 |
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HoneyBee wrote: |
Look, I love "The World that he Wants", and loved that Bush was written of in the liner notes! It was so funny because I had the same views!
But as an artist, you have to be cautious you don't drive some people away, if you only sing about Veganism, you'll lose some meat-eaters.
I'll bet Jami will have some general song or reference to politics. I'm hoping.
But I'd hate for Jamiroquai to be labeled against American politics, rather do it inconspicuously, in double entendres! Maybe they should write a song about the Pussy hat!
I can't stand Trump and his cabinet, and can't believe people support him. This is the modern reality. Some people suck.
Eviltimeban where are you from?
It's hard to write a timeless song about politics becoming dated. But there are things that are some things that are forever. |
To be honest, I will always love Rage Against the Machine. They were so political and anti-establishment that it created a huge audience because they agreed with them.
Same with Jay. He first gained traction for his political messages. For him to strongly go back to that now...especially now....I think will invigorate a lot of minds who feel overwhelmed by establishment rule.
I think what Jay sings about won't endanger his place or standing with people, and I don't think there will ever be a time where he won't stand up for people's rights. He's the type who won't name names, but will get the message across.
With our dumbest and most sellout administration we've ever witnessed, would it be too much for Jay to sing about what they stand for and the crap that spurned Brexit?
Honestly, I think the man has a lot of material to work with! lol
A whole lot! |
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eviltimeban
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:01 |
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HoneyBee wrote: |
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Ireland. We know a thing or two about politics and conflict over here!
If he said all he needed to say, then fair enough - but there's still so much to say. I'd love an album with lyrics as rich and complex as EOPE. Heck, I'd even settle for a Light Years or Manifest Destiny approach (a little more subtle). |
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HoneyBee
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 17:17 |
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3 things:
Az: You Carla, you are so special
Curry: Free Leonard Peltier
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Evilbatman: Sure, Look it
and Dye, yes the politics will probably be covert, and the love songs have some depth to them.
I love the love songs, I want more ballads -so hoping for that.
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mr.az
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 19:48 |
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I can bet some love songs have subtle critics, at least i like to write some that way(jay was my teacher )
So, don't take love songs as love songs, they can be politic at the same time(so bad punk and rock bands think a title is enough sometimes)
I like to think you can make subtle critics to the world in love songs. _________________ Only a fool can walk away from me this time
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def.con.1
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 18:48 |
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It's tough to make political themes/lyrics work in music because you can't be too specific or you might alienate some fans or end up sounding dated, and you can't be too vague because it'll sound insincere and frankly it's probably already been done/said already.
"Automaton" is obviously about the inhuman and alienating aspects of modern technology. A theme the band, and many others, have written about before. Not revolutionary, but not absolute fluff either.
I have no problem with Jay Kay not singing overtly about politics, but I kinda wish he'd stop writing such tepid love songs. |
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eviltimeban
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 09:46 |
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def.con.1 wrote: |
It's tough to make political themes/lyrics work in music because you can't be too specific or you might alienate some fans or end up sounding dated |
But the lyrics of EOPE are as relevant today as they were back in 1993. Things haven't improved, and with Trump and the rise of the right, they are even worse.
An overt anti-Trump song would sound dated in 20 years, sure. But something akin to EOPE wouldn't. |
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HoneyBee
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 19:00 |
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yes Jamiroquai should write in what's pertinent to them; political themes, a social evolution to digital technology society, an evil leader come to ruin a country...
But I want to say something about the early album EOPE; I made a mix-cd to pass on, (but it's still in my car) and "Blow your mind" is back-to-back with "You Give me Something", and after BYM plays, you realize it sounds like he was singing in a box! To me, BYM his voice sounds kinda flat, placed in the back. And well, singing about 'blowing your mind' isn't political! (but I love the trumpet). So to all those who only love the early music.
I like YGMS better, his voice is clearer and in the front, is this that loudness war discussed here? I think it's better recording techniques. Plus the song is better layered and groovy. I'm hoping this album will be more like AFO. |
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