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JamiroFan2000
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Election Day 2004: An American Perspective.
 Hello,
Election day for the States is coming up on Tuesday of next week, and I thought I would post my feelings on this important time for the next 4 years of America. I believe America is at a crossroads, socially, economically and in the world view. This was mostly brought on the Bush Administration, who have negated everyone's advice and veered the direction of our military in the wrong way in Iraq and underminded America as whole. Bush has been a crafty president, running a shadow campaign against the American public by using the Media to manipulate us in keeping us in constant state of "fear" of terrorism (The Terror Color chart was the beginning). Doing this kept our country going under false pretenses and kept everyone in line, and everyone behind Bush. But Bush's attempts have clearly failed, the body count of American Troops in Iraq continue to rise, Coalition support wanes back and forth from "We're In!" to "We're kind of In!", Insurgents in Iraq hamper any possibility of holding Iraq elections in Jan. 2005, aid workers continue to be taken hostage to suffice the wishes of the insurgent movement. Bush's handling of American domestic policy has also failed, American Medical costs are through the roof with a 50% rise, The Bush Taxcuts have really only benefited the wealthy and corporations, and Social Security and Medicare could soon go bankrupt without concise action. The Bush Administration & Congress adopted the "Patriot Act" days after the 9/11 attacks, which members of Congress NEVER read, which is the most intrusive piece of government law ever conceived, it limits civil rights of American citizens and makes us feel less safe. The "Patriot Act" isn't a completely bad idea, it just needs to be modified and changed to better suit the citizen's rights. Economically, Bush is first president to have LOST jobs in America in 75 years, and corporations continue to contribute to this by outsourceing these jobs to other countries with cheaper labor, like China & India. After all of this, it completely amazes me that people can stand idlely by, looking at Bush and not think with a open mind, not tainted by party politics, "My god, what a absolute asshole!" So many of my fellow Americans have swirled around John Kerry to be the next president, and from what I have read of his "Plan for America" (Available at www.johnkerry.com), he has alot of good ideas are really worth a try. But this election may be full of the same hijinks that tainted the 2000 Election, this time it will be: 1. Lawyers hired by both candidates who will survey the voting results in each state, if there's a problem, after all the results have come in, they will automatically demand a recount. But many think the next "Florida" will be "Ohio" and other swing states. This has been a heavy topic on my head for the past few weeks, so this post kind of lifts off some of the it. So, I call on all my fellow American citizens to the smart thing before November 2nd, learn more about both candidates (John Kerry: www.johnkerry.com: George W. Bush: www.georgewbush.com) , study their stance and positions on the all the major current issues, then compare and contrast how their ideals affect your life, then go out on November 2nd and vote for your candidate, that's all I can suggest. Thank you for listening, take care, and GO KERRY!!! Peace!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 02:42 |
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Good luck for all the americans!!! Specially you Brent and Jaminneapolis.. and all the american users on this forum... Go Kerry, GO!!!!! hehhehehh
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 09:44 |
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thanx jamirofan2000 for that. i shouldve done one about our recently held elections here in oz  .
john howard vs mark latham  . booooooring.
anyways, i know that i am not yet old enough to vote, but this whole "bush and the media" thing has been dragged on for too long.
i dont want to get into a political debate, but if you want to vote kerry for that one reason, then go for it. but just consider who you are voting for and weigh up all of the things that both sides do (and have done) over the years and put a weight onto the end of it.
this is what my parents did for the election here. here's how it goes:
* the scale goes from -10 (really bad) to 10 (really good).
* do a list of things that directly affect you/the economy/peoples safety (eg. interest rates, military spending, war on iraq etc.). brainstorm as many as you like. you can even do which leader looks better.
* then draw up a column next to it, one labelled "democrats", the other "republicans".
* consider what the stance of each side is (eg if you think that the republicans are wrong for their stance on iraq, and you feel strongly on this, then give them -10)
* add up the totals and whichever one has the higher score is the one you should vote for.
that is what my dad calls "The Italian Way To Vote", but for my grandparents (who are italian), their idea of voting is to not vote at all. good on them.
anyway, i also think that the US system of voting is majorly flawed, seeing that the leader does not have the majority of votes (it's true! george only has 31% of the vote!). micheal moore talks about this in his book "Dude, Where's My Country?".
copy what the poms and the aussies do, we do things the right way (well, most things  ). |
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 03:45 |
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I'm very sorry that John Kerry lost this election. I never thought it'd happen.
To all those across the world who believe that America is a bully, remember that there are many of us who are not happy at all with the way our government behaves abroad.
Take care. |
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 06:05 |
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yeh. that sucks. we want democrats in the white house! |
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Butterfly in June
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Location: Germany
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 13:17 |
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I cannot believe that so many Americans voted for Bush  For all those who wanted a change it must be very frustrating!!! |
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Jaminneapolis
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Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 18:20 |
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What Freddie said is something that's so true. I hate the fact that people in other parts of the world hate me because I'm "American", mainly for the actions that Bush has taken (actions I have not taken, or agreed with) in the name of "America".
Bush has a huge rift to deal with now, I hope he does some things to make people happy, but Im not keepin my hopes up.
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JamiroFan2000
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 19:10 |
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 Hello again,
 Yeah, I kindly agree, it is ashame that Kerry lost his election bid, but more importantly, this invigorated the new American fad of "voting" . I mean, look at the numbers, voter turnout in each state was up more than 75% and the total votes was in the avenue of nearly or over 120 Million. Impressive, still it is questionable if this near miss of taking out Bush won't actually bring out some good out of Bush, yeah, he had a shitty first term, but he can make up for that in a more concise 2nd term. Bring some new faces to his administration, but might take a little while to heal the wounds that brought the American public into "Civil War" type of divisions, but we all must move on. I haven't turned Pro-Bush on all of you in only 2 days after election, I'm just saying we need to move on, let Bush earn our trust and prove to the world that he isn't completely a "Asshole", but a forgiving and apologic "Asshole"... !  Thanks to all my fellow American fans for voting, you all RULE !!! Take care and god bless america!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
President Bush: The Little President who couldn't but could do better
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Jaminneapolis
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tahoe
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 23:13 |
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as much as i'd like to agree with y'all, Bush has no incentive to play nice. He won't be seeking re-election and Republicans control every branch of our federal government. He said "screw you" to fiscal conservatives, libertarians, women's rights groups, the poor, the middle class, scientists, multilateralists and environmentalists in his first term, and people still voted for him. we've already united behind this guy twice (after Florida 2000 and the September attacks) and both times he threw mud in our faces. Two days ago he was blatantly lying about Kerry's record, and now we're supposed to kiss and make up?
For now i'm going to concern myself with things i can control, like listening to quality music. Thank goodness there's a new jamiroquai album coming!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:27 |
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Americans dont want to loose the title of "world policemen" so they woted for bush and they will collect more and more oil... 
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Jaminneapolis
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 18:29 |
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A few reactions to other posts:
1) Overall voter turnout was much higher this year, but in the key areas that I have said all along: Voters ages 18-30 and minorities any age, the numbers were not much higher. Kerry needed these groups so bad, and not enough came out. The area that disappointed me the most concerning this was the southeast region of the U.S. where Bush dominated. Im not trying to be racist at all, but I bet voter turnout among African Americans in that region was zero-none, and in that region where there is so many of them, it's really disappointing.
2) Overall voter turnout was higher, but Kerry needed to steal a state away from Bush that Bush had won in 2000. That didn't happen.
3) What Tahoe is saying could be true, but there's a slight chance Bush will lighten up a little, change his ways, try to make more of us happy, and here's why: You're right when you say since Bush can't seek re-election in 4 years. He can continue to do what he wants, when he wants, with little or no support from U.S. citizens or the international community, and keep pisssin people off. OR! Here's the motivation that might make him think about his actions a little more before carrying them out. He owes it to the Republican party in 4 years to change his act a little. What I mean is, if continues to do what he wants, when he wants, with little or no support from others, he will continue to piss people off. Even enough of the people that voted for him last Tuesday. Those people that voted for him have sons too. If he breaks his promise and goes ahead with a draft, his approval rating will deifately drop to all-time lows for him. AND IT WILL CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN 4 YEARS. SO WHAT IM SAYIN IS, IF HE CONTINUES TO GO BUCK WILD, HE'LL BURY THE NEXT REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN 4 YEARS, AND PROABALY REPUBLICANS IN OTHER OFFICES WILL LOSE ELECTIONS TOO, BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE NAME OF THEIR PARTY. So only the Republican party can straighten him out now. I hope they keep him in check for their own sake.
4) I agree with the whole theory that Bush was in Iraq primarily for the oil. But we haven't gotten more oil from it at all Cheeba. Gas prices have been at all time highs for almost a year now and keep rising. For any oil Bush is trying to take control of, Iraqi insurgants and militants are making it impossible for the oil to be safely transported out of Iraq. But it reflects another way Bush thinks. We have extremely high gas prices, heating prices in the winter, and by 2039 even the middle east is supposed to be out of oil. Instead of trying to promote research and spending for studying and finding new methods and sources of energy, Bush just says "Let's get more oil".
It's tough not to have the pessimism of a lot of other Americans, but Im trying to find positives out of this. It's the only thing to do now, unless I wanna move to another country lol. American has made it 2 days so far without blowing up since Bush has been re-elected, hopefully 4 years from now I can say the same thing.
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KMackdaddy1972
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 19:02 |
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Ok I need to put in my two cents.
I voted for Kerry for several reasons:
1. I liked his view on foreign policy
2. He's a true Veteran and knows what our troops are going through over in Iraq (I'm a Navy Vet)
3. I liked his plan for economical growth
Those three things were my major factors for voting for him. But I knew from the very beginning that I was voting in vein. I know there was a lot of hopeful people out there and I'm sure their were more people who actually voted for Kerry than for Bush but the harsh reality is this: Bush's (his father included) have way too many political strings. Call this a conspiracy theory if you want but there's no way to actually trace tampering of ballots being cast....especially with the electronic voting booths (who by the way was provided by a company who's CEO was the biggest Bush contributor to his presidential campaign..coincidence?). No matter how many people voted for Kerry...Bush and his cohorts had it rigged from the beginning. I only speak out of experience...in my area of military experience I've seen the worst that this country does (none of it public Knowledge) it's one of the reasons why I left the service. No exaggeration...90% of what we (the government) accuse other countries as being inhumane and unacceptable this governments does on a daily basis. Know one in the public will ever know of these things because people are silenced well before it comes to light. It's no coincidence that journalists accidently die by "enemy fire" before they can say what they've discovered. But this is a whole other tangent back to the original thought...
Yes many countries around the world do not like the US because our current president and that's quite understandable. What I don't like is when people of other countries assume that what our government says is how most Americans feel. Completely untrue. Most Americans disagree with the government but unfortunately we're stuck with Bush for another 4 years and I apologize (on behalf of all Americans) in advance to all other countries for any dumb shite Bush does in the next 4 years....because I'm sure he's going to do a lot of stupid things to piss off more countries.
As for the comment that the US wants to remain the "police officer" of the world....that is something the current government wants...not it's people. I know a lot of people much rather have all that wasted money go to the more important internal matters like the Homeless, Healthcare, medical research, Education, and Economy. Because this country is surely suffering in all these categories. Not to sound pretencious but this should be the best country to live in. This country produces enough money that there shouldn't be any homeless, sick, uneducated, unemployed people but unfortunately this current goverment has failed (whether by accident or design) in its duties to its people.
There...sorry but I had to put in my two cents
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 09:47 |
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good call KMackDaddy. remember, 2 cents in US currency is 3 cents in the aussie dollar, so your comment holds more value over here.
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The area that disappointed me the most concerning this was the southeast region of the U.S. where Bush dominated. Im not trying to be racist at all, but I bet voter turnout among African Americans in that region was zero-none, and in that region where there is so many of them, it's really disappointing.
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u forgot something: the southeast region of the U.S. is where:
1) "The Bible belt" is located.
2) Texas is situated.
Bush is a devout Christian, kinda like me. but he also basically wins a huge chunk of the vote because he is a Christian. yes, some of the stuff he does is against what God has written in the Bible (and what Bush is supposed to uphold), but he still wins the vote.
what most of the Christians must realise is that just because someone is a Christian, doesnt mean that they dont have their own agenda.
anyway, texas loves Bush. Bush loves texas. Texas has oil, so therefore Bush has to love texas. 
anyway, that was a foreigners 2 cents (in USD, 3 cents in AUD). |
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EvoV
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:54 |
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Sorry the ones that Vote in Kerry but:
like a friend write on his blog: "Errar é Humano, persistir no erro é Americano."
That means: Make a mistake is human , but continue to do it is american!
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