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JamiroFan2000
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America's Low Appreciation of Good Music (A Commentary)
 Hello,
 Been a while since I fully blathered my mouth about the status quo here in the states, but this is one subject I must discuss . Music, or merely music appreciation in this country is really in the doldrums. Giant corporated record labels fronting thousands of promotion dollars of money behind unconsistant bands and vocalists with a low shelf life, that is the plague of our supposed American mainstream...or should I say "downstreamed upstream". I mean, they (I.E. The Record Industry) continue to feed it's consumers with such crap that they are actually fueling the music sharing popularity in finding the good music that is out there resided on small subsidiaries of the big labels, and some other ways: 1. By the 100% mark-up of CD Prices, less royalties for the artists and more for them. 2. Putting out less and less promos and leaving it to the fledgling independant record stores to divy them out. 3. And marketing albums depended on 1-2 songs stickers of interest. 4. And finally, the further frivolous lawsuits brought onto music fans whom only downloaded a few songs, the ones that share millions and upon millions of files deserve the lawsuits. Now, I have barked about this issue alot, cause I am honestly sick of seeing American music fans in the record store with puzzled looks on their faces on what to get, I end always nicely walking up and suggesting great music for them, sometimes they misconstrue for someone who WORKS there. Another factor is age, if your young, your more prone to lean towards more the forgettable poppy stuff, but when you get older, your music appreciation is much more well-honed and you can easily distinguish crap from crap, at least that's my experience, if differs of course. But now I open the podium to you, please leave your thoughts on this topic. Thanks for listening and Peace!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
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cheeeba lover
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 18:04 |
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you remember how you posted before that we are all going offtopic and talking about non jamiroquai stuff,well lately you are doing the same thing,so stick to what you are saying.. 
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JamiroFan2000
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 18:16 |
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Hello again,
Well, I remember saying that Cheeeba, but I'm sorry to say this is a real and viable offtopic subject that needs some discussion. The other topics that precipitated the "Offtopiced" topics in the first place were really obscure topics, that really didn't make up sense, this topic does. Sorry we disagree, Peace!
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JamiroFan2000
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cheeeba lover
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 18:19 |
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"obscure"???and this is..
heh,whatever..its ok 
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jgrizz
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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Location: Claremont/Southern California/USA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 22:24 |
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 Man I totally agree 100% with you JamiroFan2000
Especially the part about the record companies giving less and less to the artist's and more to themselves. 
I mean look at what Ani DiFranco (I don't listen to her) but back in what, 1996? she saw all this coming and launched her own label and she supposedly has total control over her and all of her stuff. But, the only way she could possibly have succeded is if she already had a whole bunch of capital dollars, sort of like starting your own busniess, so not everyone can do that.
If you are really talented and you have a group that gets a hit record, you might not make it right away, you might not be able to buy a Candy Apple Red Ferrari right away, because you really don't make much in record sales at first, you still have to tour as well.
Now that brings me to Jamiroquai, they have been touring heavily since thier beginings, and they still are. I would guess that after Jay's eighth and final record with Sorny (sorry SONY) that he will throw in the towel and take a really long break, like he said in one of his famous interviews, "I leave with my head held high" because we can already see that he's getting older, his voice is changing, and his band isn't quite as "chipper" as it used to be. I mean let's face it, STU was a huge part of thier characteristic sound. Now it's just mediocre.
As far as the US markets are concerned they are targeting the 12 - 15 year olds with all of the new stuff and they just assume everything is hunky-dory, that nobody else matters, well it does matter, I'm 31 years old and the last new CD I purchased, which was through the internet (Amazon) was A Funk Odyssey. No Joke. Before that it was Lenny Kravitz 5 I think. I cannot bring myself to spend any money on shitty new bands, I rather recycle my old records or bootleg Jamiro to death. Now, there are a billion better bands out there that can play 100 times better than Linkin Park. We know this. Why do they keep on with this crap!!!!! Because 15 yr olds buy it!!!!!! ARRGGHHH!!!
On a Happier note, I am performing myself tonight at the Santa Monica Pier, with my new group "JahQuest" , we probably will not make much money at all (it might actually cost money), and we have to pay $8 dollars for parking!!!!!!! not to mention gas money. So If you like listening to music just know that bands really make thier money on tours and not that much money on record sales anyway. You have to pay the recording engineers, the promoters, the rest of the group, the record companies, the advertising, and all of the middle men in between before you see any of the money generated from radio play or whatever.
sorry that I rambled but.......couldn't help it. Wish me luck tonight!!!  |
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Catman
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 00:28 |
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hey jamiroFan2k i was just wonderin if u have some sort of template for when i type ur msgs? |
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 06:31 |
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| Catman wrote: |
| i was just wonderin if u have some sort of template for when i type ur msgs? |
when JamiroFan2000 writes his posts, not Catman.
methinks that after 1000-odd posts, you'd get into a knack of having the post structure in your head.
anyhoo, i dont mind (or really care) what happens in the american music industry; it has been screwed for a long time. forgettable music and fugly singers who sing about sexual advances, sexual desires and sex itself while not ever mentioning the word "sex" has left alot of us mature listeners bewildered while rampant teenagers/kids listen to it, thinking its cool. idiots.
yes, i am 16, but i totally avoid mainstream music (JMQ aside).
what really gets up my goat is how the Australian Music Industry, once a vibrant and resilient part of music, has now just merely cheapened itself by matching itself to the American industry.
and, let us not forget how certain things have just cheapened music.
American Idol, anyone???? it fills teens with this bs image that ANYONE can be a millionaire singer. now its in every country, it sickens me.
to those who like the American Music Industry, poo to you. |
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Catman
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 07:19 |
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haha pietro... i didnt even read wot i wrote! lol |
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JamiroFan2000
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 18:00 |
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 Hello,
Well Catman, I don't follow much of a template, I just have, as Pietro pointed out, after nearly 1300 total posts, I have developed a easy set-up for my posts . That would consist of Buffalomen icons on the greetings, the body text of what's on my mind or what news I have noticed, then the closing with the "Thanks for listening" & "Peace", ending with the "Sincerely" bit. All regulars also have their own post style, just look at Diegos, his post enders are really nice. Thanks for listening and I hope that sheads a little light on my posting style! Peace!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
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Dye
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Joined: 16 Nov 2003
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Location: Planet Home; Buenos Aires, Argentina
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 18:36 |
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Hello Jamirotalkers 
Mmm... well Jamirofan, in there is pretty much like in here, we have the 'Operación Triunfo' show, which is similar to the 'American Idol' you have up there, and I must say the tastes of almost everyone in America, in Europe maybe too, is screwed.
The thing is in what you think is good and bad music. Our rock, with groups like Bersuit, Los Piojos, La Renga, Babasónicos (with a pop/ electronic touch) is getting bigger and bigger, with shows in Miami, New York, their music was underground some time ago, but now with more fans, they've become commercial, like almost everything.
Although I agree the new bands are crap (ok there's only one I like, which is Coldplay), luckily the boy bands are nearly over (let's see what happens with the new Backstreet Boys album  ), and the nü metal is agonizing, is good to see dance music is being taken to another level, we like it or not. Like Franz Ferdinand, or Scissor Sisters. I mean, they are not great bands, but their albums are pretty good (better than the mayority released over the last 2 years) and with more bands of them coming along.
But my opinion about this is that there are a lot of good artists in the world right now, but the thing is that the record companies are no longer the best way of letting people know your music, cause they turn sh*t what you do. Look JMQ, they wanted 14 tracks for '2001: A Funk Odyssey' and at the end they had 10 for 'A Funk Odyssey' (even the name changed!!!  ). You have to dig to find good music nowadays, I usually go to independent CD stores. And another important thing: is true, artist don't make money with their records, they make more with concerts, shows, etc etc. There's have to be some 'music industry' revolution if we want this to change. And don't forget they are consuming teenagers brains with what they sell.
Thank God we have the old 60s 70s music!! 
'Sometimes I think the music is the only hope we have for revolution!'
D! (dyego)
| JamiroFan2000 wrote: |
| All regulars also have their own post style, just look at Diegos, his post enders are really nice. Peace! |
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fUnK[iLo]
Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: La Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 23:11 |
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You're right! All of you!
The music business today is more business than music  . A beautiful face or body sells more than a good song. That's why many musicians(not all of them), specially women start with drugs. They have so much pressure. For example, as they don't sing well, they need to rehearse more, they sing with playback. They also dance because as they can't sing they go something like "I can't sing and dance at the same time, I wouldn't breath well". So they have pressure with reahearsing their songs and practising the dance routines. They can't bear this, so drugs "help them". It's sad to see how people want to be famous so bad.
And people, I have bad news for you... *NSync, Take That and (this is for the Argentinians) Bandana will be back soon (let's just hope not too soon) 
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VirtuallyInsane
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 23:31 |
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This is a valid subject guys & gals so don't lets turn this into a bitching session. That's not a request, its an expectation. 
I think all countries, not just the US, are at fault for promoting music that then becomes too commercialised. Its not the countries we should have issues with: its the style of the promotion of different genre's of music. Also, if people like a certain style of music they will research THAT even if its not mainstream & takes some work to do so. We can't blame the media etc for our own laziness in discovering lesser known artists.... We don't have to be clones liking something just because it's "popular"
Plus on a final note... you people who have heard the full FJLIS... Listen to THOSE lyrics before knocking other stuff with sexual references in the lyrics... |
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 00:39 |
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| VirtuallyInsane wrote: |
| Plus on a final note... you people who have heard the full FJLIS... Listen to THOSE lyrics before knocking other stuff with sexual references in the lyrics... |
yeh well i can see the innuendo in that song, but i'mm alluding to the "r&b" sector of "music".
anyone heard this new song called "Candy Shop" with 50 Cent (i think)? it's terrible. sounds shat. more sexual innuendo than an ad in "Cosmopolitan" magazine.
| VirtuallyInsane wrote: |
| This is a valid subject guys & gals so don't lets turn this into a bitching session. That's not a request, its an expectation. |
you heard her lads and laddies. respect Yvie. |
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Catman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:56 |
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hey im jsut curious? did this thread get shutdown and did ti get re-opend? |
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 06:48 |
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| Catman wrote: |
| hey im jsut curious? did this thread get shutdown and did ti get re-opend? |
dont think so mon. |
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