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Jaminneapolis
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Black Eyed Peas
This group has been hit or miss with me over the years. Fergie has helped their "pop" status, but not necessarily the quality of their music. But I'm not gonna lie, their "Elephunk" album is a guilty pleasure. I don't really care for their new one with "Pump It" and "Humps" on it.
But the reason I'm posting this, is because they have a really cool remix of the Sergio Mendes song "Mas Que Nada". I'm not sure how long it's been out, or if it's even considered a Sergio Mendes song or a Black Eyed Peas song. But I stumbled onto it watching some Brazil soccer highlights on Youtube (with the hope that the U.S. would be playing them at the time hehe... they suck).
If y'all wanna sample it, it's on Sergio Mendes' myspace page. Here's the link-
http://www.myspace.com/sergiomendes
Enjoy and have a good week... I'll be out of town til next Thursday
-Pete
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jamilichid
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 16:31 |
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very cool remix! and ther new album is called monkey buisness (the one with pump it and humps) and it's a sergio mendes song 
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 00:53 |
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Re: Black Eyed Peas
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| I'm not sure how long it's been out, or if it's even considered a Sergio Mendes song or a Black Eyed Peas song. |
Of COURSE it's a Sergio Mendes song! And a fucking great one, at that!
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MattyP
Joined: 28 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 18:41 |
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Just cos someone started this thread I will put in my two cents....
The BEP have fallen. They were, at one point, something fresh to hiphop. There's a line from the album "Behind the Front" where they rhyme about not needing "tommy hillfger's", etc.
They are one of the most sold-out hiphop group of all-time in my opinon.
All their songs sound the same now...and have for the last few albums...in fact all of 'em except for their first album (see above) are total SH***.
They are doing MORE DAMAGE to hiphop than good. They should just STOP RECORDING and give us a break.
I swear if I hear another Fergie chorus that sounds the same or another rap line about how much they alove Fergie I'll puke.
BEP should be MIA!!!!!!!!
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robotscantadlib
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 04:13 |
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The truth has been spoken by MattyP..Christ, they suck now! What happened?! They got me into the whole 'underground' hiphop thing back in 98! and now look at them..sell outs. But I suppose you can't be 'underground' forever. They have bills to pay and kids to feed..but I suppose this level of selling out is overkill, haha.
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Saffy7
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 16:31 |
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I agree that the remix of 'Mas Que Nada' has been done very well. Check out my post about Sergio Mendes' new material here :
http://www.jamirotalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2232&start=930
Claire.x.
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deesh
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 23:39 |
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| robotscantadlib wrote: |
| But I suppose you can't be 'underground' forever. They have bills to pay and kids to feed..but I suppose this level of selling out is overkill, haha. |
i love this response...i once heard ?uestlove say the only difference between underground and mainstream is the bill collectors not calling you once you cross over.
ironic coming from him, but yes..funny response!
and to the original question, i was done with BEP right after that macy gray collabo, which i liked actually.
will.i.am is an okay producer though. he has this song on a BBE compilation and it's pretty dope.
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MattyP
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 03:44 |
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There is a BIG difference between selling-out and selling a lot of albums because you make hot music.
Look at J-Dilla..I mean the guy was a legend. Sold a bazillion albums worked with dozens of artists and never once dropped something that wasn't the next ISH!
Look at MURS...still underground. Still HOT. many albums and years later.
The Roots?...man they helped pioneer the 2nd coming of hiphop...they sell-out stadiums but are untouchably hot.
Even the reason we are all on this page JAMIROQUAI....been thru incredible changes, but collectively they are still bustin' expectations and have made song after song after song that is HOT...
What is the common theme here?
ARTISTY. SKILLZ. PASSION FOR REAL MUSIC. DESIRE TO CHANGE THE GAME and F*** THE RADIO PLAY.
Sure it's good to get radio play. Sure it's good to "pay the bills"...but what amount of yourself are you willing to sell? You have to hold on to your core...your essence ....otherwise you fall off....
I've been in the music business for over 15 years and although I don't sell out stadiums (or anything close) I have never comprimised my passion for pushing my music to the NEXT and have always brought it RAW and REAL.
And you all can print this and quote me on it 30 years from now cos I'll still be slayin' wack music with next-level beats, concious lyrics and a desire to let my spirit soar thru the sonic cosmos.
Peace y'all...really cos at the end of the day, I make my stand by never buying a BEP album. I vote with my wallet. I make a change and a difference with my music.
Thanks for having this real discussion. It's refreshing to know their are other music-headz out there that take quality very seriously.
..so One Love to ya!
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deesh
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:43 |
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Hi MattyP - Great response - I  it! Hip-Hop!!!!
The fact that you mentioned J Dilla almost bought me to virtual tears  . That man is a legend. People don't even realize the impact he had on not only hip-hop, but music. He died far too young, but left us with such an impressive catalog. There is stuff that I'm just finding out he produced! His death brought such attention to his ailment and that is a blessing.
MURS - not so much my thing, but yes, true what you say about still hot and the following in the underground is dope.
The Roots - don't even get me started. I have followed them since the days of Ahmir and Tarik being students at CAPA down the street from me, and them forming a band and playing on street corners and at warehouse parties. They've always been on the middle ground and stayed ON the ground. People are calling them sell outs because of their signing with Def Jam, but they have like 15+ years into this business and Geffen was a piece of crap, so I am all for their alignment with Jay-Z. Plus, they are still hot. Have you heard the new single? Black Thought is the illest MC of this decade - Hands Down. I think they have maintained such a following when they are caught in the crossfire. Underground heads love them, but tune them out sometimes because of the live instrumentation in a day and age where Pro Tools and samples are dominated, and underground sees them as sell outs sometimes, and mainstream does practically the same thing for the same reason. I have a feeling if The Roots were just a band with a vocalist instead of an MC, they would be accepted more. I mean, they don't need it..their following is impressive, but still.
A discussion like this is running parralel in the Greatest Hits post in Jamiroquai news - well, more like me just talking
Selling out to me means compromising your art for money, and giving up control for money. I don't mean that to translate to all that sign with majors or are on the radio - because that is not the case. But when you hear and see the same peoples' songs in commercials for everything from shoe laces to cars, sports events, MTV, VH1, BET, and everything else that usually they wouldn't normally be associate with (cough cough BEP), then there is a glitch in the matrix somewhere. Either they signed a contract where they gave up ownership of their masters or they own their ish and are selling it for money - and both aren't right. You feel me?
Ahhh, I can go on all day and all night about this topic - I really can! The hip-hop culture is where my heart is at underneath it all.
Dope that you have your head on straight as an artist. I applaud you for that and wish you much luck.
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FRA
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MattyP
Joined: 28 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 16:15 |
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OKay...first, THANK YOU FRA for your cntinuing and undying support! She is single-handedly created a movement for EMPILLA in Italy and it's quickly spreading thru all of Europe. Much love FRA.
Second...hiphop.
I totally agree with what you siad...basically all of it.
I would urge you to listen to the new album from MURS with 9thWonder (Murray's Revenge)..it's pretty sick, def the "underground sound" but 9th just murderz da beats.
After I posted the above comment last night I saw VH1 Storytellers with Pearl Jam....I was never a huge fan, but I'm 32 so I remember when they came up back in the late 80's/early 90's. They could have gone the "sell-out route" ( I think we all agree on what that means) but they didn't. In fact they have taken such an anti-star route that they keep earning points in my book. They stand for REAL values and morals....they are using their popularity to educate their fans about politics, ethics and important musical trappings....which I respect immensely. The "Storytellers" program was a real dope look into those guys as a rock band and the depth that they take their music....it's been years since they've had a video, radio play or even public fimling like that and they are STILL selling a bazillion albums.
Which brings me to your point about the Roots. I forget how many times I have seen them live....dozens....but Black Thought is more than just an "MC" their shows cover Big Daddy Kane to Led Zep to the WHite Stripes to Kanye and then they ALWAYS trick out their album versions of their own material. I do agree that Black Thought is one of the most legendary MC's alive today...I also agree that their business move with their label was a well-planned and properly executed one. I'll support those cats with every dollar in my wallet...any time..any place.
Jay-Dee? Yeah, it's still a litlle painful for me to talk about. That cat changed my life. I've been hip to him for the better part of 13 years and never looked back once I found out who and what he was back when I first heard his tracks with Tribe and Pharcyde..then all the work he did after...it was like this guy is the 2nd coming, ya know? Man, just thinkin' about it makes me sad....cos so many people have no idea..STILL...
...but I am proud to say I was there from jump and still am...everyday I try to turn someone on to what he did and what he was for hiphop.
I grew up in Atlanta...born in '74...so I saw hiphop come up for the world....I also love rock and jazz and funk... cos if you really look at it they are very closely related...but I'm not here to educate y'all about the history of music....
I'm just glad to be able to break bread with y'all.
And when my album blows up, I will STILL be MattyP and I will STILL be your homie.
One Love. Nuff Respect!
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Catalonia is not Spain
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 18:47 |
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To be honest, I like their kind of music. I've only listened the last 2 albums and, like Jaminneapolis, I really liked 'Elephunk', a mature album with interesting songs like 'sexy' or 'smells like funk' and, of couse, 'hey mama' or 'let's get started' in a more danceable way. The last album is extremely danceable? Maybe. Lyrics are too simple and sometimes they have no sense, but their rythm is quite good and it makes you feel alright (in this way, it reminds me Jamiroquai).
And, to sum up, all that I want to say about 'Mas que nada' is that they've done a great work with this excellent song. |
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MattyP
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 19:13 |
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"To be honest, I like their kind of music."
That's cool....I'm not hatin' on you or the fans of BEP...because at the end of the day you decide what you like and why.
I have my own reasons for choosing music and choosing artists to support. I can hardly ecpect you to respect my point of view if you can't offer your opinion....
..although I happen to disagree with your comment about their music being "mature"..i think it's departed from "mature" and cutting-edge to being more like..say..a bubblegum machine...but that's my OPINION.
If you like 'em then show them support...and know why you like 'em (which it sounds like u do).
So it's all good. I would love to introduce you to some hiphop that encompases the qualities of REAL artistry and musicianship...groups that are really breaking thru (please see the above parts about J-DIlla aka Jay-Dee). There are so many "danceable" but "concious" artists out there that get trampled out by arists like BEP doing Dr.Pepper commercials and phone commercials...the kids that are workin' hard in theor basement cos that's the only skill they have to keep them off the streets...I know cos cats like that are my homies....it's either making music or selling crack and they've decided to make music, SOUL music, REAL music...music that KEEPS THEM ALIVE and out of jail or the grave. DOn't get it twisted though, these kids had no choice and many don't it's just the state of the world today. There are plenty of talented artists that grew up in good homes and had choices from jump, but regardless of where you live or what's around you the ultimate lens to look through is QUALITY.
Unfortunately "quality" is subjective..as is "art" so I repect your position and decision to buy BEP albums, I just don't agree  [/quote]
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Jaminneapolis
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 06:48 |
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MattyP,
You've made some good points man. As I said, they're hit or miss with me. They have as much garbage as they do good stuff. But I'm not gonna show any remorse for liking them or anyone else either. I like them just like I like Michael Jackson and Geroge Michael (I guess their music, not them personally). I know I'll take some shit for that, but I got nothin to hide on who I like.
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deesh
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:46 |
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Pete - Babe, you are a bit defensive. I don't think no one will give you shit for liking BEP or George Michael (who I love). That's your perogative and it's cool. We are all grown with different musical interests, and that's dope. It would suck if we all liked the same people, wouldn't it. I don't hide who I like either - but I don't think anyone really cares. Now if I get in the car with you and I have to hear BEP, we'll fight, but until then..it's all gouda cheese 
Matty - WOW, much love to you - Most of the non hip-hop musical groups that I love have fan bases that don't really talk about hip-hop in a positive light at all. This is the first positive hip-hop music (there was a nice breakin' thread awhile ago) conversation I've had on here about, and I'm so happy to have you hear to talk to because you recognize the culture, not the media interpretation and it's just nice to see on Jamirotalk. Thank you so, so much. And to Francesca for bringing you over here!
As I read this, the song 'Mathematics' from Mos Def is ringing in my ear - you want to learn how to rhyme, you better learn how to add, it's mathematics. I can play that song over and over and over.
I can't add much to what you said (who are we kidding..I'll always add something). J Dilla - Jay Dee - James Yancey - you said it all. I hang my head to him. You are so right about people having no idea who he was and his influence - NONE! I think my favorite Dilla was stuff he did with De La way, way, way ago. And 'Donuts' is untouchable. I can go on forever about him, but I feel you 100%.
Roots - I agree. I'm looking forward to seeing them with Common in 2 months. They play here alot (duh..of course), so I see them all the time in nice intimate venues that they constantly sell out. I don't think there is a Roots show that I've been to in the past 5 years that they haven't sold out tickets. I haven't loved all their stuff over the years (Nothing in my opinion can top 'Do You Want More', although 'Things Fall Apart' comes close) Their new single is funky fresh dressed to impress ready to party. I love it. If you haven't heard it, listen here. Listening to it now..Kamal is doing a phenomenal job on the piano and Black Thought has this line - it's crazy when you're too real to feel free. Something like that. Nice! Scroll down to the bottom and click: http://www.giantstep.net/releases/1032
I'll take you suggestion about MURS. I really dig 9th Wonder (Little Brother's 1st album = )
Since we are talking about being underground and all that stuff, I want to give you the myspace of one of my current favorite indie MC's, reef the lost cauze: www.myspace.com/reefthelostcauze. You should make him your friend . Kidding, but listen to his stuff - I think he's dope!
I'm going to head over to your MySpace today and listen to some of your stuff. I want to see if I can help you in anyway from my end. Hit me up on email and we'll politic: dyer95@hotmail.com. Even if I don't like your music  , I respect your hustle and passion.
Peas
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