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deesh
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PRINCE Suing Fan Sites
This isn't new news, but interesting to me...
What the hell is posessing this man to go sue-crazy like this? I could understand not wanting copywrite material and such out there, but photos and such? WOW..seems like a bold move to me. He's already at legend status, so maybe that is why this doesn't matter. Or is it for publicity to drum up hype for an album that didn't do so good? I dunno...That's like Jamiroquai coming in and shutting this and Funkin down. What a diva Prince is being, unless I'm missing a piece of information.... 
PRINCE SUING FAN SITES
From Rolling Stone
From his days as a symbol to his anti-YouTube stance, it’s a given that Prince takes his image seriously. Now the Purple One is expanding his copyright fight to include a brand-new enemy: his own fans. Prince’s lawyers have recently sent cease-and-desist letters to Prince fan sites, demanding that they remove all photos, artwork and fan-submitted, Prince-related pictures. That includes, oddly, photos of Prince-inspired tattoos and license plates. Now, three such sites — housequake.com, prince.org and princefams.com — have banded together to form PrinceFansUnited.com.
The united fan front suspects the Paisley Park legal team is taking this bizarre course of action “to stifle all critical commentary about Prince” (fortunately, they haven’t read this post … we think). If forced to remove all images from their sites, and thus forego their First Amendment rights, the union vows to “defend their position in the proper court of law, as well as fully prosecute any claims to which they are justly entitled.” They just wanted to celebrate Sign O’ the Times, now they have to hire lawyers. So far, the sites are yielding, as Princefams.com’s vacant photo gallery reads, “The gallery is currently unavailable due to legal pressure from Prince and his organisation NPG. We are sorry about this, but hope you understand that this is something Prince is forcing us to do.”
If there was ever a clear indication of when to retire your fansite, this is probably it. This is like that time the Italian Guns N’ Roses fanpage boycotted GN’R. The whole show of unity here is an attempt to get Prince to second-think the photo embargo. But perhaps he’s had other things on his mind: His native Minnesota has found a brand new “Purple Jesus.”
(AND TAKE NOTE OF THIS COMMENT THAT CAME BELOW IT..THIS IS VERY TRUE)
Chelsea Rodgers | 11/6/2007, 3:37 pm EST
This stuff has been going on since 1998. Prince wanted all fan sites to cease to exist, then merge with his official site so there would only be one Prince site with news controlled by him. Many sites closed down at that time, while several decided to merge with his site. Sites that did not merge were also threatened with legal letters.
It seems that Prince wants total control and does not appreciate fans posting negative reviews of his music or actions. On his previous site his message board was heavily censored. Only permitted thoughts and ideas were allowed.
He also does not want his fans discussing his many bootlegs and unreleased tracks, which is a shame, because his unreleased tracks, as well as concerts make him so legendary and admired. He is upset that people have been downloading all 21 Nights in London from various sources.
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CosmicMouse
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 14:34 |
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 ...wow... we can be truly grateful for what we have with our lovely band jamiroquai who appreciate their fans! 
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 18:45 |
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He's just turning into a grumpy half-century little old short purple midget.
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 18:55 |
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that´s just uncool. he doesn´t allow critics??? oh god..
meike..u chose the right band to make a fansite 
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 19:15 |
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| Sandriche wrote: |
that´s just uncool. he doesn´t allow critics??? oh god..
meike..u chose the right band to make a fansite |
Yeah. His [Prince's] dear old friend Miles Davis must be tumbling in his grave at the sheer mention of what his 'friend', 'associate' and 'successor' is doing to his fans right now. Imagine that midget's treason - he flipped the bird at his fans, everyone who he worked with [and everyone who worked with who worked with him], all the record stores that supported him for so long, all the critics, and basically anyone who had any respect for him before a couple of days ago. Great way to anger and insult everyone who you were close with until recently, a really great way Mr O(+>. I sincerely hope you're reading this, as you may sue my ass, but that ain't gonna deliver you from the very fact that just a selfish old man can do a thing to his fans and associates that you have just done. Thank you for your patience.
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JamiroFan2000
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 21:30 |
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 Hello,
 Yep, I have been abreast about this whole "Prince sueing fansites" ruckus and I think Prince isn't really to blame . From all my reading, it appears the Purple One is trying to hunt down the fans that are either selling bootlegs of his past shows OR merchandise that wasn't confirmed OR allowed from NPR fan club or Prince himself. So, inbetween all of this action, Prince fansites are becoming the victims of this by having allowed sort of fans whom do this to be part of their communities, so alot of innocent fans are being unfairly caught in the crosshairs of his lawyers. Anyway, if you think that is bad, Prince just cut a SPECIAL new song called "PFUnk" in response to this stuff, you can hear it here, probably the BEST Prince I have heard since his "symbol days":
PRINCE "PFUnk":
 http://www.3121.com/jam/music/prince-pfunk.mp3
* Open this link in your media player to hear *
So I hope that clears some of the smoke up, I know Prince can be considered a prick in this case, but I think his intentions are only good in protecting his streak of getting his new music to the fans. Cheers!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 21:34 |
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| JamiroFan2000 wrote: |
Hello,
Yep, I have been abreast about this whole "Prince sueing fansites" ruckus and I think Prince isn't really to blame . From all my reading, it appears the Purple One is trying to hunt down the fans that are either selling bootlegs of his past shows OR merchandise that wasn't confirmed OR allowed from NPR fan club or Prince himself. So, inbetween all of this action, Prince fansites are becoming the victims of this by having allowed sort of fans whom do this to be part of their communities, so alot of innocent fans are being unfairly caught in the crosshairs of his lawyers. Anyway, if you think that is bad, Prince just cut a SPECIAL new song called "PFUnk" in response to this stuff, you can hear it here, probably the BEST Prince I have heard since his "symbol days":
PRINCE "PFUnk":
http://www.3121.com/jam/music/prince-pfunk.mp3
* Open this link in your media player to hear *
So I hope that clears some of the smoke up, I know Prince can be considered a prick in this case, but I think his intentions are only good in protecting his streak of getting his new music to the fans. Cheers!
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000 |
Shut up. He IS chasing down his own fans. Heard of his threats about photos? He's talking as if his own face is copyrighted to him. It all looks to me like he's posessed. |
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Sandriche
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 21:42 |
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knjaz.... ..be nice with our lovely brent...everybody can tell his opinion...
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CosmicMouse
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 22:26 |
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no reason for being rude!
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ophone
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 01:28 |
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I don't understand Prince.
Why is he doing this to his fans? Brent, you can't tell me that he's sueing the independent fansites just because of bootlegs.
Jamirotalk isn't sued by Jay Kay because we post all kinds of Jamiroquai pictures, share bootlegs or dare to criticize the band.
Or the forum on the official Frank Zappa site there are open discussions about FZ bootlegs and also critics. But the Zappa Family Trust, owner of the site and FZ's creative rights, doesn't do anything against it.
Why should it anyway, it would only chase away FZ fans to buy the official stuff (and there's a huge amount of it, more than 60 albums and a whole bunch of FZ paraphenilia).
I think that is what will happen to Prince if he wins the trial, the majority of his fans, especially the hardcore ones, will boycott his products and concerts and make very negative publicity for him.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 01:59 |
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no reason for being rude! |
I agree, but ...
...posting links to copyrighted material is still forbidden here at JamiroTalk or am I wrong (there is still real danger that owner can easily be contacted by Prince lawyers this time!)?
So the ONLY place where you can legally listen to this song freely is this site at the moment otherwise you must buy the song in iTunes store!
And as I think I really (this is important!) understand what Prince want to protect I disagree with some methods he using to succeed in his things. His lawyers sometimes over-run the boarders only to scare other sides with laws that nowhere truly exist.
Prince do that non-popular things to provoke the discussion about the whole internet universe and the ways users - us - use everyday to steal others parts of identity. No one of us would be happy if control of our rights lies in another hands! And (this is important for him I think) he don`t want to be the unsuccessful one so he makes everything to prove that he can win the battle - this is difference between his effort and efforts of other bands or companies in the past. Don`t forget he is not only music genius and he knows what he is doing. And as his other effort to free the music and to give the music rights back to its right owners - he might fall, but he lead the way for another brave musicians and artists generally who want sell their impalpable things in (maybe near) future because nearly no one on this planet understand and hold the right value of art itself! He doesn`t want to be the winner at the first place, but he wants to see this battle is won be "the right guys" who inspired themselves with Prince!
I`m (as one of the long time HouseQuake.com site user and also The Royal Hub user) on the fans sites side and I was being near rude when I realized how much time the owners of the 3 sued sites have had to spend for protect themselves (in their free time of cause) but I also understand and respect the purpose why Prince has done that theater.
Things have natural progress at the moment so I think artists all over the world maybe win the battle in near future and we all will have to assume and absorb this fact (by this fact I mean that minority=artists win out over majority=people). It will be really difficult after all years of free internet arts everywhere on the web. But one day it will happened I suppose... |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 07:56 |
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| ophone wrote: |
I think that is what will happen to Prince if he wins the trial, the majority of his fans, especially the hardcore ones, will boycott his products and concerts and make very negative publicity for him. |
I'm not a hardcore fan, yet I'm already boycotting Prince. Seriously, I thought he was just a great guy with a great relationship with his fandom. Seems I was wrong big time.
Oh, and sorry about the rudeness. Didn't mean it that way. |
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deesh
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:50 |
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I don't know.
I read the justifications both here and other places about this, and while I can understand Prince wanting to protect and guard his work and his art, and even wanting information to be on one website and such.
But, Prince's lawyers (who are acting on his behalf ) seem to be going a bit too far with it all.
I don't know those fans, but I'm sure they started the sites to unite Prince fans and share the love and adoration of his music, not to be tied up in lawsuits years later. Maybe I'm not reading all info or something.
This also comes along with being an international superstar. I couldn't imagine Madonna doing this...ha!
We have a saying here that goes, 'Don't shit where you eat' and that is all I can think of when reading this.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 23:47 |
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| deesh wrote: |
| I couldn't imagine Madonna doing this...ha! |
This is very truthful, but I don`t think it shows her in good light at all. She is not ready to do something against (not only) her fans for her belief.
Anyone who wants to do anything against his fans must be really strong and brave for his own stands or completely fool. This is why Madonna never do this - she has no reason for do it. And we know Prince is definitively not a fool, so..? |
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ophone
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 01:27 |
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Come on!
That Prince wants to do something against bootlegs featuring him, I can understand.
But to forbid fans to post pictures of him is totally insane! That is what happens when you become a celebrity, he shouldn't complain.
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