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FunkEducation
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Something important for my country!
Hey People...
i really dunno if you care about this or not... but it's something i want to share and let you know...
this sunday we will live another president elections (the first ones i will make participation) and let me tell you i'm very excited, because Anti-Chavez people (around 80% of the country) are all decided in one cause: try to beat his stupid socialism! i was talking to Sandra about this, and then i decided to make a post here... hope you like it.
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Hugo Chávez is a passionately disputed personality. Supporters view him as a socialist liberator, hailing him for promoting Latin American integration, fighting imperialism and neoliberalism, empowering Venezuela's poor and indigenous communities, and reducing poverty and unemployment. Meanwhile, his opponents see him as an authoritarian militarist and demagogue who has failed to deliver on his promises, violated fundamental rights, meddled in the affairs of other Latin American countries, threatened Venezuela's economy and democracy, and destabilized global oil prices.
A career military officer, Chávez founded the leftist Fifth Republic Movement after being a leader of a failed 1992 coup d'état against the democratically-elected President of Venezuela. Chávez was imprisoned, was later pardoned and released, and was elected President of Venezuela in 1998 on promises of aiding Venezuela's poor majority. He was reelected in 2000, after the rewrite of the Constitution of Venezuela approved by referendum, it provided for interim elections and the possibility of a consecutive second term, not allowed under Venezuela's previous constitution. The combined effect of these changes was to extend the previous 5-year presidential term limit to a potential 12-year term plus the two years interim. During massive public protests over Chávez's firings of seven striking executives of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), Venezuela's state-owned oil company,[1] and a resulting strike which crippled the nation's oil industry, he was briefly ousted on April 11, 2002 by a military coup, with street clashes resulting in injuries and deaths. He was returned to power after the brief ouster, and survived a recall referendum in 2004. He is running for re-election in 2006.
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As opposition to Chávez grew, owners, managers, commentators, and other personnel affiliated with private mainstream television networks and most major mainstream newspapers stated their opposition to the Chávez administration. These media accuse the Chávez administration of intimidation and censorship. Chávez in turn alleges that the owners of these networks have primary allegiance to Venezuela's elite and U.S. interests.
Authoritarian rule and power consolidation
In spite of a presidential term limit of 6 years, Chávez often suggests that he will remain in power for 25 years, a claim he denies as a misinterpretation of his intent. However he recently proposed a constitutionally binding referendum to allow for a third term. Chávez has said that if the opposition boycotts the 2006 Venezuelan presidential election, he might hold a referendum to abolish the presidential term limit of 12 years and allow him to run for re-election "indefinitely". According to an article in The Washington Post a program called "Mission Identity", to fast track voter registration of immigrants to Venezuela — including Chávez supporters benefiting from his subsidies — has been put in place prior to the upcoming 2006 presidential elections.
you can read more in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez |
there you can read the disaster this government has been...
we are all fighting to have a better country, and now this sr appears!
his name's Manuel Rosales:
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| Rosales is a presidential candidate, representing a broad spectrum of parties and organizations opposed to incumbent president Hugo Chávez in the 3 December 2006 presidential election. Other presidential opposition candidates agreed, on 9 August, to withdraw and support Rosales. A primary election scheduled for 13 August was cancelled, and Rosales candidacy was formally announced. Rosales said that the backbone of his government program will be the social arena, saying it will be a "sound and well defined" program, including a "fair allocation of oil revenues by means of two axes – minimum wage for all unemployed and direct contribution to the underprivileged". |
now i will show you what we call "marchas" or marching in english... in support to Manuel Rosales (all of those have been happening since one month ago... its just amazing)
the marchas are called "AVALANCHE" and i will show you why:
Rosales and his wife...
that one happened this saturday, in the capital Caracas.
this ones in Valencia
this last one in my city: Maracay...
so, there you can see all the people Rosales is moving rite now!
we are almost 80% of the people in this country... so I expect the best for this sunday...
you know, Chavez will do all he can to make a fraud! that's what he is, that's what he will make to win this sunday!!
hope you liked it! gotta go |
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 16:56 |
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Really intresting Ed. I'm not informed about the political situation of Venezuela just knew the president name before reading your quotes.
I can understand your excitement, president voting is the most important public happening of every democracy on the planet. I wish you and your country a more beloved president...80% adverse in polls is not that great 
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 21:06 |
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impressive bunch of people there!
i invite everyone interested to read this other page of hugo chavez at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez as you can see in the top
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The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page. |
and the one posted by ed earlier was alerted by this one
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Please help improve the article by adding information and sources on neglected viewpoints.
Please see the discussion on the talk page. |
freedom of speech and freedom of information.
i hope the best for the venezuelan people.
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mr.az
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 21:27 |
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in wikipedia all can put what they want...in fact i change some wikipedia articles for add more car info 
i wouldnt say something more than i know people from venezuela in other forums too and i found divided opinions...some of them-many poor people-are with chavez and only a few-this could be poor or not-dont agree with him...so i wouldnt say more than i want the best for the poor people of venezuela(the poverty in all the world must be stoped)and im sure if the power people is disagree with chavez...well, i wish here my president kick more empresary asses¡¡¡¡
anyways i can say only that i know people who have needs and dont hate chavez and others really know the bad things about the government...but they dont show me something so bad...at least i wish the united states dont buy all the media in venezuela and many companys as they do here...where u can go on to the many places and then u find that many people are from other countrys(menem has do this...fuck you menem¡¡¡¡¡)
that have the power, the media here is so overowned by fucking rich people who wants they dont be touched anymore and in fact u must see the natinal channel to find some news about the real things...because other media responds to the rich people here(fuck them¡¡¡¡)
and i wish usa dont buys the venezuela oil as they do here in argentina because where i go to the roads so many oil companys are from other countries...so the private public services in argentina are made private by a real-asshole-that-nobody-stops and now many places are private...so i wish your country still been your country, and dont becomes like argentina in the last time when many public things now are privates...and is a shame because we have so many many of us and now are part of france, spain monopolys, usa monopolys...in fact i live near of a big place that is owned of a corrupt empresary that dont pay taxes and the place is in fact stoled by the national cuyo university...and the university can do nothing because this empresay have power...
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/imprimir/diario/elpais/1-9326-2002-08-25.html
http://www.losandes.com.ar/2003/1126/politica/nota159117_1.htm
http://www.losandes.com.ar/2003/1106/politica/nota155780_1.htm
so i wish the best for the world, not only venezuela, i wish there's no more monopolys...the best for venezuela, i hope the things that happen to argentina dont happen in venezuela mate...good luck
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 21:50 |
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oh, and search also more info about "the oponent" (manuel rosales)
as ed remarks, is a very important tihng for his country...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 23:16 |
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mr.az
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 23:54 |
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http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/11/20/211346/16#3
ok, this is in part about venezuela...so read it...
Imprisoned Colombian journalist Freddy Muñoz has announced that his charges stem from accusations against him by three reinsertados of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. Reinsertados are former guerrillas and paramilitaries who are “reinserted” into society in place of jail time in return for disarming and usually giving up information of some sort. Desperate to strike a deal with authorities, the information they give authorities is notoriously unreliable but is often responsible for horrific acts of repression.
In a column for the online publication Argenpress.info, Colombian Historian Apolinar Díaz-Callejas shows that Muñoz’ arrest is not just an attack on freedom of the press but a serious threat against the journalist’s life:
The arrest of journalist Freddy Muñoz Altamiranda, correspondent in Colombia for the Latin American network Telesur, brought me to remember the case of Alfredo Correa de Andreis, university professor from the Caribbean coast imprisoned in Cartagena under a false accusation by a reinsertado of being a FARC ideologist. On the coast and throughout the country there was a general and unanimous protest, that finally won his release. Unfortunately this government could guarantee his life and freedom. He was murdered in Barranquilla by “assassins on motorcycles.” I hope my fears are unfounded and that Freddy Muñoz is released and that his life is protected.
and this thing is about latin america at all...
http://www.visionesalternativas.com/militarizacion/articulos/agua/11.htm
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funkmonkey
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 01:22 |
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If only people in my country felt the same passion for voting as most people do in yours. Maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we are in just now. I will never understand people who live in a democracy and choose not to vote. The disgracefully low turn out figures for the last election here in the U.K saddened me deeply. Even worse then that, most people, I think, simply did not care enough to educate themselves on the policies of each party and make their decision. Not using your vote isn't, as many people seem to see it, an adequate form of protest against a government you do not want. Ironically, the best form of protest is your vote. This is an issue which really gets under my skin. 
Anyway, from what I can gather, things are looking up for you guys over there, It's good to see so called "younger" democracies showing us how it's done properly, by people who genuinely care passionately about their country and what happens at home and abroad, so good luck and I hope you get the result you want. 
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 02:09 |
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| If only people in my country felt the same passion for voting as most people do in yours. Maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we are in just now. |
Have you seen the situation most of Latin America is in now?! Personally I think a lot of people didn't vote at the last British election due to disillusionment - and the fact is that since we don't have a 'white vote' here (i.e. the ability to actively cast a vote for NO-ONE), your vote really can't be used solely - or even primarily - as a protest. It shouldn't, anyway. I did vote, by the way.
As for Venezuela... all I'll say is that I hope Rosales doesn't get in purely due to being anti-Chavez. It'd be nice to think people will vote for him because of who he is, rather than who he isn't. We shall find out if he gets in, I suppose.
There was an article in The Independent earlier this year talking about how Bush's administration has become so obsessed over the 'war on terror' that they've totally lost sight of the US's standing in Latin America. And Latin America being the world's great forgotten region (how much news do we in the 'first world' get about it, compared with what we hear about Europe, Asia and even Africa?), no-one's noticed that there's so much anti-Bush, anti-Yanqui sentiment there right now. Standing against Bush is fine, but somewhere along the line, countries are going to start getting leaders who define themselves solely by opposition to the USA, rather than by what they themselves actually believe and want to do...
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mr.az
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 02:50 |
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There was an article in The Independent earlier this year talking about how Bush's administration has become so obsessed over the 'war on terror' that they've totally lost sight of the US's standing in Latin America. And Latin America being the world's great forgotten region (how much news do we in the 'first world' get about it, compared with what we hear about Europe, Asia and even Africa?), no-one's noticed that there's so much anti-Bush, anti-Yanqui sentiment there right now. Standing against Bush is fine, but somewhere along the line, countries are going to start getting leaders who define themselves solely by opposition to the USA, rather than by what they themselves actually believe and want to do...
Sam |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/bushitler.html
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm
so, like green day says everytime before they sing holiday
''this is not anti-american, is anti-war''
im not anti-america, in fact i have family after all in the united states and i like some things...but im anti-bush and obviusly anti-war because the war is the worst of the pains the humanity can suffer...and we're suffer alot now 
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:27 |
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As for Venezuela... all I'll say is that I hope Rosales doesn't get in purely due to being anti-Chavez. It'd be nice to think people will vote for him because of who he is, rather than who he isn't. |
Right, this is the most important thing.
Looking at the political situation of each country in Europe I'm starting to think that bipolar political systems work very bad. The point is...is there a solution for this issue?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 18:10 |
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Ed, a ver si me consigues la noticia en español
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Economic "Worries":
from: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_election_economy
"Venezuelans are swilling aged whiskey, snapping up luxury cars and treating themselves to plastic surgery in an oil-fueled spending spree worthy of one of the fastest-growing economies in Latin America"
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"Chavez inherited an enormous public debt from previous governments who struggled to pay salaries and benefits to a bloated state work force during the oil crash of the late 1980s, but he has overseen a near doubling of the public sector to some 2 million state employees.
Mark Weisbrot, an economist at the Washington-based Center for Economic and Policy Research, said Chavez should be recognized for a robust economic recovery from Venezuela's worst recession in decades, caused in large part by a failed two-month opposition-led strike four years ago.
He noted inflation is below historical levels, tax revenue in both oil and non-oil sectors are up, while the government has budgeted conservatively to create a cushion against any decline in oil prices. It has based its 2007 budget on an average oil price of $29 a barrel — far below this year's average of $58 a barrel.
Fears of more radical changes are probably also exaggerated, Weisbrot said. "
from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_election_economy
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 22:12 |
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| Samiroquai wrote: |
As for Venezuela... all I'll say is that I hope Rosales doesn't get in purely due to being anti-Chavez. It'd be nice to think people will vote for him because of who he is, rather than who he isn't. |
Right, this is the most important thing.
Looking at the political situation of each country in Europe I'm starting to think that bipolar political systems work very bad. The point is...is there a solution for this issue? |
yes! if you listen what Rosales says, and what Chavez says, you will probably know what they want. Chavez speechs are all about beating Rosales, on the other hand, Rosales talks about building a new country, and he talks about all the things he is gonna make better in his government!
Chavez work on the last years was, try to end with the private industry, and make the industry of them! they also want people not to use currency, they want us to use some weird papers, to make trades, not to buy... the only people with money will be them... they are buying votes in latin america and europe, instead of paying those poor people here for their hard work at public institutions!
people on streets dying, people loosing their jobs, the streets are totally insecure, the "chavez" people stealing all they can, chavez travelling around all the world... that's called: A DISASTER! that's why sunday will be an important day for all of us! in this moment there's an AVALANCHE at Maracaibo, the city where Rosales is governor now... the only anti-chavez gobernor in this country... the others were selected by chavez...
Rosales work in Maracaibo is totally amazing, and, if he can do that in Maracaibo, i'm totally sure he can do it in all the country! he's the man! the two perfect Jamiroquai songs for Hugo Chavez are "Too Young To Die" and "Emergency on Planet Earth"...
this is maracaibo... one of the most beautiful cities of Venezuela:
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 22:25 |
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instead of paying those poor people here for their hard work at public institutions!
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wtf did u always look the por people like they are less than u?
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