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Freddie Hg
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autobiographical songs
I know a little bit about Jay's troubled past, but I was wondering......how much of the lyrics in songs like JUST ANOTHER STORY and SOUL EDUCATION are true about his life? They seem to somewhat reflect the stories I hear about Jay's hard times as a youth.
While we're on the subject (sort of), what of Jay's father? We always hear about Karen Kay, but what happened to his dad? |
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Butterfly in June
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| Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:00 |
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A few months ago I read in an interview that Jay met his father for the first time. He is a Portuguese musician and I don't know much more about it. I don't know either how autobiographic Jays songs are. Would be interesting to know a bit more about it! |
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 06:14 |
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Fascinating about his father. I heard a radio interview where he mentioned he had portugese in him, so that's very interesting.
Anyone else have anything on the songs? |
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smellbob
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 04:15 |
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Here's an article about jays stepdad from "news of the world"
13-year-old Jay Kay lured into booze and sex with bar girls by his evil stepdad
ROCK idol Jay Kay's warped stepdad has revealed how he helped turn a quiet schoolboy into the wild man of pop.
As blood streamed from the Jamiroquai star's nose after yet another bust-up this week, James Royal boasted how he "educated" young Jay on a Thailand holiday.
Royal was meant to look after Jay during the school summer break...but the boy, just 13, was left to wander alone through the backstreet bars of Phuket for SIX MONTHS.
Royal also told how he allowed Jay to lose his virginity to a bar girl called Toy-even letting them sleep in his flat.
The youngsters saw each other for weeks on end, and when Jay returned to Britain Toy, who was 17 but looked younger, discovered that she was pregnant. The father could have been any one of a number of men.
She had an abortion then, three months later, returned to James Royal's flat and hanged herself from the window-grille.
Royal told the News of the World: "Toy missed Jay and was broken-hearted. She said she couldn't afford to take on a baby and I certainly didn't want the responsibility. I paid for the abortion but she became depressed.
One night she let herself quietly into a place I used to rent. The next morning I saw her hanging over the bed. When I told Jay about Toy he was upset and has never spoken about her since."
Royal, now 59, had been manager and lover to Jay Kay's cabaret-singer mother Karen Kay and took on the role of unofficial stepdad to her son.
"We never married but we were as good as man and wife," he said. "I looked upon Jay, or Jason as he was then, as if he was my own son."
Quivering
In July 1983 Karen was breaking into TV. Although she and Royal split in 1981 and he moved to Thailand, the pair kept in touch-and that's when he agreed to look after Jay for the school hols while Karen worked in showbiz.
Almost from the day Jay set foot in the Far East, Royal gave him a free rein-even allowing him to take the wheel of a four-wheel-drive vehicle in off-road jaunts.
"I was busy with work or just having fun," smirked Royal. "There were so many women around and sex was easy.I decided it was better to let Jason hang out in places where I knew the staff and some of the girls.
"I knew he was sleeping with the girls because he brought them to hotels where we'd stay or to my flat. Like me, he was like a kid in a candy store.
"When I first took him into one of my favourite strip clubs, the girls picked him up and sat him on the bar. At first he sat there with a quivering lip. But after a few minutes and with all these bare breasts bouncing around inches from his face, he relaxed."
When Royal went to Bangkok on business, he'd take Jay with him. Again, the boy was left to wander on his own. Royal insisted: "I knew where he'd be and I'd have people watching out for him. Jay used to go out at around 9pm then we'd meet up by about midnight. He'd go to bars where he knew I'd drink, order a few beers and leave me to pick up the tab."
Though Jay was only meant to stay in Thailand for a few weeks he was still there in December 1983 when he was summoned home-and he hadn't been to classes in all that time.
He ended up at Oakham School, Leics, before turning to pop and becoming a multi-millionaire with hits such as Virtual Insanity.
Police are now investigating allegations of assault between Jay and a snapper named Alan Grisbrook after Tuesday night's premiere party for the new Star Wars film. Jay says he was headbutted after his new Bentley was dented. Grisbrook claims Jay hit him first and "there could have been a clash of heads."
In little over a year Jay Kay, now 33, has been involved in three public bust-ups. During one he screamed at photographers: "I'll ****ing kill you."
Naive
He has little to do with his old ‘stepdad' these days and told the News of the World: "I went to Thailand on holiday in 1983 and I do remember a girl called Toy. At the time I was too naive to understand what was going on, as any 13-year-old kid would be, but I never had sex with this girl.
"Me and my family have done nothing but try to distance ourselves from this man (Royal) for 19 years but, like a bad penny, he always turns up." Royal disagrees. "We grew apart," he said. "If anything, I think Jay's time in Thailand was an education.
"The rest is history."
Does that help?
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 05:52 |
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That's more help than I could have ever imagined. Thank you so much, smellbob. I have one question though....most of that report of Jay's past was from Royal, but Jay talks about these things as if they never happened. What is true?
I cannot begin to picture Jay at age 13 having rowdy experiences in Thailand. It certainly sounds like an abnormal childhood, but maybe that's what makes you great, huh? Or maybe that's why he likes to perform on the Pacific Rim so much!
Thanks again, smellbob! |
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smellbob
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 02:24 |
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I have no idea if it's true, hopefully it's not. I too cannot picture jay doing those things. He must be traumatized, if it is true. I think his stepdad is a jerk.
Maybe "I did'nt have no time for school, spent my days breaking the rules and regulations" from soul education refers to the part in the article where it says that jay missed alot of school. 
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 22:34 |
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I got to thinking about it.....is it possible that KING FOR A DAY is about Jay and Stu?
I always thought it was about a girl, but that doesn't really make much sense to me anymore. Any thoughts? |
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smellbob
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 01:23 |
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Yeah, I've read many things that said it was about jay and stu. I think there's an article about it at [url]jamiroquai.com[/url]. It probably is about stu. Do you know the whole story about Stuart? Because I'm still not too sure what happened. In an interview, jay said how he could'nt even work with him anymore, and he had to let him go.... I like to think he's dissing a girl, because that's cool. Just think about the power you have when your famous, you can publicly humiliate all your ex's......ah, such power! 
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 05:52 |
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Yeah, I think it has to be about Stu. I thought it was about a girl, but if it were, the song should probably be called QUEEN FOR A DAY.
I heard, among other rumors, that they were fighting over a girl. That seems awfully childish to break up a band (especially since I think neither one of them really has LONG-TERM relationships). I don't know what happened. |
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smellbob
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 19:38 |
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Fighting over a girl? Wow! I never heard that. But that probably would make alot of sense.
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smellbob
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In the bandmembers and supporting musicians secion of the forum, I found a post called "Zender bender". It has some info on why stu left in it. Perhaps, you've already read it.... 
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smellbob
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 03:01 |
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I thought I'd bring this topic back because...
After listening to main vein over and over again I've began to think that this song is about jay's fans. For example, jay says "I got no chains or fancy aspirations, but I've still got a losing streak, I don't need praise or instant admiration, it takes more for you to make me weak.." Could this be talking about how fans like him or something? And what's with the name? I've never understood it. How could it be called main vein? If I heard it and did'nt know the name I'd assume it was "what you gonna do to stop me". But to get back to the real subject.. Does anyone agree? Is the song about jamiroquai stalkers? I think it is.
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 03:32 |
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I don't know about it being about the stalkers.....it sounds to me like another "i'm gonna gripe about a girl" song. I think it does quite well, maybe because he uses f*** (not funk like the lyrics say), and he's only used that in a few album songs (Just Another Story comes to mind). Anyway, whatever the case, the lyrics are kind of incoherent at times ("Now I was born in '69 and I'm tellin the world what they don't wanna know about"), but maybe that's why I like it. The title is incoherent, too (maybe it works for that reason). Who knows what it means?
Anyway, I'm glad to see this topic revisited. I just never had anything else to add, but I'd like to read some replies again. |
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Ventura
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:48 |
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I heard differently  I thought it was "Now I was born in '69 and I'm tellin the world but they don't wanna know about me no more"
I don't know about main vein... there is that kind of thump thump sound like a heart beat or something and umm... main vein rhymes  Actually, the name "Main Vein" sounds like someone injecting a drug into his main vein. |
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 23:55 |
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Interesting idea about the title. Maybe so! You're probably right about the lyrics....I don't know.
I was thinking about another autobiographical song.....DO IT LIKE WE USED TO DO. The lyrics seem to reflect some desire to return to the old sound:
"I heard the music play
the same as yesterday.
I heard the music play
makes me wanna do it again.
Do you remember when
the DJ used to say...."
and the title itself seems that Jay wants to do it like they used to do, complete with turntable wizardry.
Anyway, just a thought. Ventura, I've sent you my list. Australia is a long way for a package to travel!
Cheers. |
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