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Knjaz
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(Sorry for posting two times in a row, but...)
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25 minutes is a lot of music, dont you think that is going too far, just doing it beacuse they MUST have long tracks, dont you think?
I mean on 12 minutes you can fit in 3 bass solo, 1 guitar solo etc..., dnt you think thats enough? 
I rather see difrent kind of styles and ideas on many tracks than just a 4-5 track album
Or do you mean that by making long tracks they make a point away from sony?
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Just making a step away from the $ony days. Alot of styles can fit into a single composition, also. Take as an example Mike Oldfield's "Amarok". It's an hour long track, but features banjoes, horsehooves, toothbrushes, african choruses, in short - it's a work extremely long and diverse and yet it's a single giant composition. It's a stretchout what we need. There's so much over-the-top potential to be unleashed in the band, and I only think that something very over-the-top can really prove that they have talent. It'd be some sort of a blast, really, as only a select few popular artists have tackled side-length concepts (Mike Oldfield, Pat Metheny, Pink Floyd, Miles Davis, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Herbie Hancock et cetera), let alone the extremely rare album-length works, such as PMG's "The Way Up" and MO's previously mentioned "Amarok", Ornette Coleman's "Free Jazz", John Coltrane's "Om" and "Ascension" etc. In short, a 'giant' - it's the only easy way I see for Jamiro to escape the 'bubblegum pop' band image they've earned with the last three albums, AND not lose any gray-cell audience in the process. |
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almatri
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 23:13 |
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Bubblegom pop ? The hell you're talking about man ? Bubblegom pop is Britney Spears... The old band where Justin Timberlake was etc... Yes Jamiroquai was on a commercial tip lately, but THAT'S IT. I swear the majority of the Jamiroquai's fans are stretching with their comments |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:40 |
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| almatri wrote: |
| Bubblegom pop ? The hell you're talking about man ? Bubblegom pop is Britney Spears... The old band where Justin Timberlake was etc... Yes Jamiroquai was on a commercial tip lately, but THAT'S IT. I swear the majority of the Jamiroquai's fans are stretching with their comments |
I'll have to disagree - AFO and Dynamite were (and still are) flat (out) bubblegum pop - the kind of simplest, mainstream music that only appeals to the masses and not to people with a sophisticated taste. |
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jameerica
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 13:44 |
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Knjaz is right there, almatri, 100% right...those albums sounded as if they weren't made by the same Jamiro as the previous ones(which just so happens to be true!)... But please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I'm sure it wasn't the fault of the band members, it was all $ony (our excuse for everything that ever went bad in the band) and big egos and whatnot!
But then again, this next album will prove how right (or wrong) we are when we say this!
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Javis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 14:55 |
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I disagree with Knjaz, Dynamite was a great album, the songs Star Child, Dynamite and DGHAC are mater pieces. |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 19:16 |
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| I disagree with Knjaz, Dynamite was a great album, the songs Star Child, Dynamite and DGHAC are mater pieces. |
...but you really cannot say that those songs are better than even the worst stuff from the Zender period, can you? There's definately a line in quality which can be pulled between the first and the second era, and no matter how blurry it might be, it's still gonna favor the Zender period. When Zender left, the music was less album-focused, and more 'top-40 singles chart' oriented, and that is THE very factor that caused the sudden drop in the sound. The band [who will I not refer to by its name until the new album is released] has got most of its roots deep in album-oriented music. They most certainly are great at racking up small 'sticky' hits and making blasts on the album charts, but what they certainly weren't made for is top 40 - the lowest kind of scum which includes but is not limited to Britney, Shitty-Fiddy 'n' da Gangstu-gang, Linkin Krap et cetera. That reminds me of something - I don't know who said this, but it's some fine words:
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| I listen to The Dark Side of the Moon. You listen to "Time" and "Money". |
The 'hit single' didn't just ruin Jamiroquai, but today's music in the broadest sense of the word. |
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jameerica
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 19:25 |
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| Knjaz wrote: |
| Linkin Krap et cetera. |
LOVELY anagram!
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almatri
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Funny thing is, if we go with the original version of A funk odyssey, this album is more focused than TWM, since it was a concept album in the beginning. TWM is far from a concept album, in one song they're talking about the poor state of the world, and in another one they're talking about a girl not living on earth :/ How is it focused ? The sound is not consistent too, there's rnb, ballad, funk, reggae on it...  Still you see people getting crazy for this album. On Synkronized they were going with a different sound, because you know when you're an artist you get tired of playing the same thing over and over and over again... Too bad fans are too narrow minded to understand that.
For Dynamite, yeah it was an half assed effort, but imo Jay Kay (and the band) were getting tired of Sony, so that's why there's songs where they're just dumbing it down (seven days of sunny june for example), but there's still some good songs in it, far from "bubblegum" pop. |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 20:23 |
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| almatri wrote: |
Funny thing is, if we go with the original version of A funk odyssey, this album is more focused than TWM, since it was a concept album in the beginning. TWM is far from a concept album, in one song they're talking about the poor state of the world, and in another one they're talking about a girl not living on earth :/ How is it focused ? The sound is not consistent too, there's rnb, ballad, funk, reggae on it... Still you see people getting crazy for this album. On Synkronized they were going with a different sound, because you know when you're an artist you get tired of playing the same thing over and over and over again... Too bad fans are too narrow minded to understand that.
For Dynamite, yeah it was an half assed effort, but imo Jay Kay (and the band) were getting tired of Sony, so that's why there's songs where they're just dumbing it down (seven days of sunny june for example), but there's still some good songs in it, far from "bubblegum" pop. |
Oh, yeah, the test pressing. Touche. However, I'd like to also note that there's still a huge gap between musical consistency and general uniformality of the timbre of a work of music. You cannot possibly pin 'inconisistency' where 'diversity' is the term to be used. TWM was diverse but consistent. Synkronized, on the other hand, presented a change - it was uniformal but inconsistent. Sure, it was a nice album, AND it had an aim, but don't forget that it was also a f*cking 50 km marathon on glass legs and high heels made of wet sponge over a saturated minefield. It was prone to critical faliure and commercial rave. I'm not saying here that the band should stick to one style only, only saying that they've gotta open their eyes and see what they can play and what they can not play, and they can play a lot if they'd just try.
And I'm not even gonna talk about Dynamite - some songs on it were stripped down by such an amount, it's painfully clear what missing parts are missing and where they belong!
(Jameerica... 'Linkin Krap' is hardly an anagram, just 'park' spell'd backwards)
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Javis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 20:23 |
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I really don't care if the album is focused or not, I preffer 10 times 1 single 'tullalah' to 2 tunes like ' Didjerama' and 'Didjital Vibrations'. That was crap with capital C |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 20:29 |
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| Javis wrote: |
| I really don't care if the album is focused or not, I preffer 10 times 1 single 'tullalah' to 2 tunes like ' Didjerama' and 'Didjital Vibrations'. That was crap with capital C |
(Goddamnit, I always hate to explain how Didjerama and DV most certainly top some 90% of everything else the band has ever written, and do top all that in nothing but artistic value.) |
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Dye
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| Sandriche wrote: |
hey d! i was already thinking about a " where is dyego -thread"  |
Maybe you should, I can't find myself either 
Oh during my absense is nice to see how the 'new vs the old' jamiroquai discussion appeared once again  lol
To add something to this discussion, let me just say that the post-zender era was mainly product of Sony's marketing strategy trying to put Jamiroquai among the 'poop stars'. Even with that pressure on, I think they made a perfectly good collection of albums. I can hardly find a recent pop/electronic album that sounds as good as Dynamite.
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ophone
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 09:11 |
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I don't understand why you always say Sony is the reason Jamiroquai made quite crappy music in the last years.
Jamiroquai weren't the property of Sony but Jay Kay's. And I'm sure big record companies like innovative new music (which sells good of course), otherwise Sony wouldn't have made a contract with Jamiroquai at the first place!
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 09:19 |
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| ophone wrote: |
| And I'm sure big record companies like innovative new music (which sells good of course) |
Are you calling the Shit-eyed Peas, Justin, Britney, Fiddy and all those other boy and girl bands 'innovative'? |
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Gonza-Arg
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 16:40 |
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This pisses me off...
I mean, everybody's saying afo and dynamite are crap, just because new songs that "may sound like old ones" are being recorded.
The last 2 or 3 albums are not crap, they're just different, as Diego said, it's very hard to find "anything" as good as dynamite, in the main stream rock/pop market... |
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