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Dye
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| ophone wrote: |
I don't understand why you always say Sony is the reason Jamiroquai made quite crappy music in the last years.
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I never said their music from the last years was crappy. I think is far from that. I'm just saying that probably Sony is the reason why the last albums sound more 'mainstream' and less ...'under'.
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Javis
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 19:56 |
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I'm starting to think that the people that says that the post Zender Jamiroquai era productions are crap are only the Zender fans... |
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 20:58 |
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| Javis wrote: |
| I'm starting to think that the people that says that the post Zender Jamiroquai era productions are crap are only the Zender fans... |
haha and we are proud of our comments! hahaha xD
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Javis
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 21:00 |
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hehe I know  |
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jameerica
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 21:02 |
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| Javis wrote: |
| I'm starting to think that the people that says that the post Zender Jamiroquai era productions are crap are only the Zender fans... |
What's wrong with that?
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Javis
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 21:50 |
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| jameerica wrote: |
| Javis wrote: |
| I'm starting to think that the people that says that the post Zender Jamiroquai era productions are crap are only the Zender fans... |
What's wrong with that? |
That's not an objective opinion, but common, we are Jamiroquai fans, we are not objectives ever.  |
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almatri
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 00:38 |
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Oh, yeah, the test pressing. Touche. However, I'd like to also note that there's still a huge gap between musical consistency and general uniformality of the timbre of a work of music. You cannot possibly pin 'inconisistency' where 'diversity' is the term to be used. TWM was diverse but consistent. Synkronized, on the other hand, presented a change - it was uniformal but inconsistent. Sure, it was a nice album, AND it had an aim, but don't forget that it was also a f*cking 50 km marathon on glass legs and high heels made of wet sponge over a saturated minefield. It was prone to critical faliure and commercial rave. I'm not saying here that the band should stick to one style only, only saying that they've gotta open their eyes and see what they can play and what they can not play, and they can play a lot if they'd just try.
And I'm not even gonna talk about Dynamite - some songs on it were stripped down by such an amount, it's painfully clear what missing parts are missing and where they belong!
(Jameerica... 'Linkin Krap' is hardly an anagram, just 'park' spell'd backwards) |
Commercial failure ? 4 millions of albums sold worldwide is a fiasco for you ? You're hard to please :/
And except for some tunes that you can listen only if you're in the mood, Synkronized is an excellent album. They could have taken the easy road and keep making the same old acid jazz for their whole careers, but you can be damn sure that 90 % of the Stuart stans on this board would have never known about this band.
When I hear tunes like "Little L", "you give me something", "Canned heat", "King for a day", I don't hear Britney Spears or Soulja Boy, it has Jamiroquai written all over it. By switching their style, they were able to attract a new audience. Not many artists are able to do this kind of thing, sorry...
So imo what you call selling out, was a bold and impressive move from Jamiroquai, props to them. |
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Knjaz
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 09:04 |
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| So imo what you call selling out |
So the basis for all the claims in all your posts is personal opinion? Wow, that like really backs up all your claims! ...fanboy...
Sure, it's a fact that you have an opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion a fact.
Oh, and point out the exact part in any of my posts where I explicitly claimed that the band 'sold out'. |
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almatri
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 16:14 |
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| So imo what you call selling out |
So the basis for all the claims in all your posts is personal opinion? Wow, that like really backs up all your claims! ...fanboy...
Sure, it's a fact that you have an opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion a fact. |
Sorry but it doesn't make sense .
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| Oh, and point out the exact part in any of my posts where I explicitly claimed that the band 'sold out'. |
Easy, I could take any of your posts claiming that Jamiroquai has been doing bubblegum pop for years when they should have been doing acid jazz their whole lives. So yeah, maybe you didn't write "Jamiroquai sold out, fucking bastards !!!", but you think that, I know you do  |
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Ivy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 16:04 |
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heyyyy 
sometimes being innovative band/or band period might mean exlcuinding or including new sounds(new people), doesn't
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poop.
yeah sony might be to blame but not entirely ..i think it was window of op for experimenting |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 13:20 |
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It's gonna be real interesting giving this new album a listen. For the first time there'll be no one for anyone to blame but the band if they don't like it! Haha. |
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ophone
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 15:03 |
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Andy, you're absolutely right!
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Freddie Hg
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 15:40 |
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Alright, well maybe it can flow one song into another, but gotta have some tracks in there! (Except, songs that flow right into each other are awkward on mixes).
Good to see you, Butterfly!
I think all the boys need to do is open things up, like they do in concert. Most of the grooves work really nice when you open the sections up (ROTSC, of course... but some of the newer, dancier stuff works great too... love that long concert version of Dynamite!). Just throw in some horns (PLEASE TRUMPETS! I would like Tallulah so much more if it were a trumpet instead of a Sax), a flute would be nice, some strings... But mainly just some fat, tight horn lines. |
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robotscantadlib
Joined: 28 May 2005
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Location: san francisco
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 17:38 |
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| I'll have to disagree - AFO and Dynamite were (and still are) flat (out) bubblegum pop - the kind of simplest, mainstream music that only appeals to the masses and not to people with a sophisticated taste. |
are you kidding? i'll tell you, i have 'sophisticated taste' and i love AFO. maybe you just don't like electronic/house/disco-funk. AFO is an album that was successful in the mainstream, but the songs on it are beautiful and far from simple. they went with a 'less is more' attitude on some of the dance oriented tracks, but come on, this is not your average bubblegum pop album. it's full of emotional qualities and production values that i haven't heard many other artists achieve. it evokes similar emotions to 'discovery' by daft punk.
dynamite is my least favorite and perhaps the closest thing to pop that they've done, but it's still within the realm of legitimate music.
i would never accuse the band of being 'bubblegum', but simply more accessible. remember, they're in this to sell records and make interesting music for everyone, not just for fans of jazz-funk. there is a fine line to ride between technical music and music everyone can get down to, and the band's balanced that almost perfectly for 16 years.
hopefully on the new album they go back to a more organic and perhaps slightly more complex sound. i'd be very happy with another synkronized or funk odyssey even though my favorite is rotsc. i just know that kind of music (rotsc) won't be made again by this band, as they are under different circumstances..they're not broke 20 year old kids who can spend all day dropping acid and exploring spirituality and cosmic mysticism. they're established and grown up, and the music will reflect that. |
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almatri
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:10 |
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| I'll have to disagree - AFO and Dynamite were (and still are) flat (out) bubblegum pop - the kind of simplest, mainstream music that only appeals to the masses and not to people with a sophisticated taste. |
are you kidding? i'll tell you, i have 'sophisticated taste' and i love AFO. maybe you just don't like electronic/house/disco-funk. AFO is an album that was successful in the mainstream, but the songs on it are beautiful and far from simple. they went with a 'less is more' attitude on some of the dance oriented tracks, but come on, this is not your average bubblegum pop album. it's full of emotional qualities and production values that i haven't heard many other artists achieve. it evokes similar emotions to 'discovery' by daft punk.
dynamite is my least favorite and perhaps the closest thing to pop that they've done, but it's still within the realm of legitimate music.
i would never accuse the band of being 'bubblegum', but simply more accessible. remember, they're in this to sell records and make interesting music for everyone, not just for fans of jazz-funk. there is a fine line to ride between technical music and music everyone can get down to, and the band's balanced that almost perfectly for 16 years.
hopefully on the new album they go back to a more organic and perhaps slightly more complex sound. i'd be very happy with another synkronized or funk odyssey even though my favorite is rotsc. i just know that kind of music (rotsc) won't be made again by this band, as they are under different circumstances..they're not broke 20 year old kids who can spend all day dropping acid and exploring spirituality and cosmic mysticism. they're established and grown up, and the music will reflect that. |
Great, great post, I totally agree with you. |
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