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jamirokaki
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something is going wrong with this post, i'm sorry is posted again and again, and empty. 
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jamirokaki
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i just wanted to put some links of wikipedia, about the basque language, basque people and basque country, due to the "unknowness" of this issues.
if someone is interested just search at wikipedia for basque language, and check the related links 
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
| something is going wrong with this post, i'm sorry is posted again and again, and empty. |
I edited your post, Inaki.. there is a bug in this version of phpbb... has something to do with the URL tags. For the future, if this happens, just leave them away until we have fixed the problem. Maybe the next update will remove it anyways. Sorry about that!
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Do you speak euskera?
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jamirokaki
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thank you very much meike! you're always there! 
peggy: from vitoria-gasteiz (official name, in spanish and basque, real one is only gasteiz) agur, bai 
Nimira: bai euskaraz hitz egiten dut!
 (yes i do speak euskera)
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WARNING! I shouldn't be missundestanding...
I read some part of your links, Iñaki. It's curious that many foreing people thinks that Spain is "paella, sevillanas y olé" 'cause this is the kind of image that tourism want sell to another countries.
In Catalonia (Catalunya), for exemple, foreing university studens (coming from UE, America and Asia) arrived here thinking that all Spain = Andalucia. In their universities explained a stereotipicall image about lazy, old fashioned and funny Spanish people (lame but true) and when they arrived here the first question was:
"But don't you speak Spanish?"
"Also, also..."
"But in class theacher wasn't talking it."
"'Cause in this region the studies are in Catalan."
"In what?"
And every new course, repeat the scene... Now in some Corean and English universities start to give the option at their students to learn Catalan.
Don't missunderstand me thinking that I want some free country or WTH, it's only that Spain is much rich in culture and languages than "El toro de Osborne "and all of this means.
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mojogonlopoto
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Actually, the name of Vitoria-Gasteiz is the official one, and I´ll try to explain a bit of history around this beautiful city (My city, I born there):
Gasteiz was the old and primitive village that was in the same place than the actual Vitoria-Gasteiz. It´s not copmpletely proven that Gasteiz was founded by visigoths (king Leovigilio or something similar)
In year 1141, the King of Navarra "Sancho VI el Sabio" refund the village like Nueva Victoria (and this si the origin of the actual name, going to Victoria, and after that to Vitoria).
In 1200, Nueva Victoria goes to Kingdom of Castilla, under Alfonso VI!I King´s mandate, and then the city starts to go from one kingdom to another, because the strategic position of the city is well known)
In 1463 Nueva Victoria gets the category of city, by order of King Juan II of Castilla
We can say Vitoria is not the translation to spanish of Gasteiz. It´s a modern agreement to have both names together, trying to remember the historic trayectory of the city (I wonñt explain now a lot, because I donñt have a lot of time, and the forum shouldné be fired with it)
To finish, I can say that Vitoria is a beautiful city, and if you go there some time, you will find an excellent place to waste your time (generally, all the basque country is excellent to lose yourself)
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Once in my past life ( :lol ) I met a boy from some place (I forgot  ) in Baskia. Since, I love learning languages I made him speak to me in euskera, even though I don't understand it. Just love the sound of it.
Thank you for this topic 
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 21:09 |
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ez nintzen ni izango ba?
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Well LeeLo, we have the same problem here in Luxembourg.
Most of the foreigners think our mother tongue is French, but it is Luxembourgish, some kind of German dialect with French influences which has become a language on its own, just like Dutch.
For example, the regular Luxembourger can speak better German than French.
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NiMira
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
| ez nintzen ni izango ba? |
hope you are being polite? 
what is ba?
well, this could last for hours
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jamirokaki
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not exactly the same language problem ophi. some maybe don't know even about a different language here, but some...think is a dialect from spanish!!
it's a shame that a language totally isolated from other's inte world, totally different, an oldest one in europe is totally unknown!
nimira, i was. the sentence means: "it was maybe me?", ba don't haves direct translation, it even don't appears in the sentence i wrote in english, it's a kind of "so"?
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*LeeLoo*
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The problems with Basque, Catalan and their recognition like languages and not dialects became so far time.
Between 1939-1975, Spain had a dictatorship that banned teach another languages in country that weren't Spanish, arguing that these were dialects. Now, 30 years later, some people support that Catalan, Basque and Galician (another language talked in the north-west of Spain) aren't languages.
The "best" that is these languages don't become at Spanish. For example, Catalan became at Gallic Latin, like French and Occitan (an ancient language talked in Pirineus area, between Spain and France). Exist more similarietis betwee Catalan and French that Catalan and Spanish.
Talk more slowly, please.
Habla más despacio, por favor. -->Spanish
Parla més a poc a poc, si us plau. -->Catalan
Parle plus lentement, s'il vous plaît. -->French
In Catalonia exists more projects for learn and protect this language, and sometimes movies are translated and songs are subtlited in TV programs (and I saw some Jamiroquai songs subtitled in Catalan  )
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