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cheebalover
Joined: 22 Oct 2010
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OK i rant about jamiroquai when i think they deserve it, but now i must defend..
when u see all those ex jamiro musicians that are "better", tell me what have they done?
i have heard some stuff and there is no sucsess, i hear big announcements of new funky albums, collaborations, bla bla...but no one of them is near jamiroquai, and jamiroquai will allways be the highlight of their musical career..they can show only respect to the jay and the band. |
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teecheedeedee
Joined: 16 Dec 2006
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Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 15:03 |
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First of all, none of them have made the claim that they are "better" than jamiroquai. Nick was merely commenting on what he perceived to be the quality of RDLS, and incidentally I totally agree with him.
Second, and more importantly, the ex musiscians have good reason to be pissed off. Nick was sacked, and reffered to disrespectfully afterwards by JK. Well never know for sure, but I'd argue it was highly likely that Zender's claims of unreasonably low pay and song writing credit were entirely justified.
And it's a terrible argument to make that ex musicians are unsuccessful because they aren't as popular as jamiroquai. Poularity is not proof of good music. And why would you expect them to be? Jamiroquai has had massive marketing behind it, the kinda money which musicians are likely never to be able to afford.
In all honesty, Nick was a huge part of the early jmairoquai sound. If you have the time, listen to his track 'Ipanema Dreaming' on BBE's website. Sounds very like the EOPE era. And as stated, Akimbo was awesome, despite being short lived.
Lastly - why on earth do artists have to show respect to all other artists? The over produced crap that mainstream artists vomit out blankets so much good music that should be broadcast. They are in competition with each other. Just because they work in the same field doesnt mean they can't criticise other work.
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John Doggett
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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Location: France
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 23:41 |
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Ok. But Without Jamiroquai and especially Jay Kay, there's never been Nick Van Gelder or somebody else!
Don't get me wrong. I respect Van Gelder and I've bought its two (brilliant) albums. Yet, on Akimbo's cover (published in 1998) it was still written "member of Jamiroquai"!!!!! 
Thanks to JK, ex members are well known. No matter about they succed or not. But they have not to forget that point.
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Elvishmaid
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 14:14 |
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Right-of course it's always evil Jay Kay according to members who were sacked.
There are lots of good musicians out there and only a few have the popularity of Jamiroquai. It's not only about music or marketing-it's the total package of an artist. And JK got it.
I can't take Mr. Zender seriously when he complained of being underpaid.
Sony signed JK as a solo artist. So it has always been Jk and band-except for Toby who had a songwriting contract with Jay. Surely there were also contracts for the rest of the bandmembers about payment.
So if Mr. Zender thought the payment was unfair why did he join Jamiroquai in the first place? Maybe the payment wasn't that unfair and the success of Jamiroquai just went to his head?
I wonder what he's getting paid now??
Secondly what I've seen of Mr. Zender live wasn't so impressive that I'd say he is irreplacable. And I also heard stories that his attitude to work wasn't very impressive either.
I understand why Jay sacked him-a bass player who proclaims before a tour that he'd rather stay at home is unbearable for a band that wants international success.
He also talked to the press behind the band's back in a negative way when he was still a band member and proved that he wasn't trustworthy anymore.
So why should he have a different attitude after he left the band? |
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FunkyVibes
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
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Location: Eugene, Oregon
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 18:47 |
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| Elvishmaid wrote: |
He also talked to the press behind the band's back in a negative way when he was still a band member and proved that he wasn't trustworthy anymore.
So why should he have a different attitude after he left the band? |
What did Zender say exactly? I've never read the articles where he badmouthed jamiroquai, but musicians should always be supportive of their band in regards to the press. |
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Elvishmaid
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 19:56 |
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Derrick said in a television interview that Stuart Zender talked to the press behind the band's back (in a negative way)-before he left the band/was sacked. I don't know to which interview Derrick referred-but I'm sure he is certainly not telling lies.
I definitely read an interview before Synchronized came out-and I was surprised that he said he didn't really want to go on tour and would rather stay at home-I don't remember why.
And I remember several articles after his departure where he accused Jay Kay of being greedy and money grubbing. It was somewhere in the British press.
I can't tell you exactly where but I'm sure that I read it. |
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