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FunkyVibes
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
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Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Yeah, from what I've read, the disc format offers superior playback, but I'm wondering if the mastering is different as well. Otherwise I think the file playback would be the same after ripping it... But not sure here  |
Blu-spec CD's don't offer any higher resolution audio than standard CDs. The only difference is in their authoring, which is said to be more accurate due to the type of laser used. The only advantage over a bog-standard CD is that in theory, you get less chance of error-correction occurring in the reading of the disc - the sound coming out your speakers will be exactly the same as with a normally authored CD. At the end of the day it's little more than marketing BS.
Collectors won't care though... for them it means another item to look out for 
More interesting would be if they put together a multi-channel Super-Audio CD or DVD/Blu-ray or something like that... I can't see it happening though. The effort involved vs the tiny market for such a thing would probably make it unfeasible. |
This article talks about a "$2000 CD MADE FROM GLASS" and differences in sound playback:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2000-cd-made-from-glass-1/
The author of that article goes into detail about jitter and how the physical medium of digital tech can in theory create playback variance and affect the quality of the output. As you mentioned, the newer blu-spec format offers more accurate readings.
I would think, however, that direct file playback (ripped from the disc) would eliminate those differences, but then the sound card would probably be another issue.
I would love if they re-released Jamiroquai's catalog on some kind of audiophile format. Dynamite was released on dual disc, which contained DVD audio on one side. Curious if the album sounds better. |
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Andrew
Joined: 26 Oct 2004
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 08:51 |
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| FunkyVibes wrote: |
| I would love if they re-released Jamiroquai's catalog on some kind of audiophile format. Dynamite was released on dual disc, which contained DVD audio on one side. Curious if the album sounds better. |
I've read that the DualDiscs Sony put out for all their artists had the audio on the DVD side at 16bit, 48kHz stereo - not that much better than the CD side (16bit, 44.1kHz stereo). They could have made it higher quality (up to 24bit, 192kHz stereo), but apparently they chose not to because they were trying to promote their competing Super-Audio Compact Disc (SACD) format where audio quality was much better than CD (four times the bit rate) - even though as far as I'm aware there was never any Jamiroquai music released on SACD.
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Andrew
Joined: 26 Oct 2004
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 09:31 |
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| FunkyVibes wrote: |
This article talks about a "$2000 CD MADE FROM GLASS" and differences in sound playback:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2000-cd-made-from-glass-1/
The author of that article goes into detail about jitter and how the physical medium of digital tech can in theory create playback variance and affect the quality of the output. As you mentioned, the newer blu-spec format offers more accurate readings. |
That was an interesting read - thanks. So weird how they reckon they can hear differences between CDs that have identical datastreams... I would have thought that's pretty much impossible with all the buffering that CD players have?  In any case, I would assume most people play their music from files these days, so as you put earlier, what would be better would be the availability of the music on file formats with specifications that more-or-less match the original masters.
I wouldn't say no to a surround sound edition of an album either - Dolby Atmos please! 
Even something like The Flaming Lips did with Zaireeka would be great. My mates and I had a listening party with that one about ten years ago and it was amazing!
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JamiroquainPt
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Location: Portugal
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 09:36 |
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| Andrew wrote: |
| FunkyVibes wrote: |
This article talks about a "$2000 CD MADE FROM GLASS" and differences in sound playback:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2000-cd-made-from-glass-1/
The author of that article goes into detail about jitter and how the physical medium of digital tech can in theory create playback variance and affect the quality of the output. As you mentioned, the newer blu-spec format offers more accurate readings. |
That was an interesting read - thanks. So weird how they reckon they can hear differences between CDs that have identical datastreams... I would have thought that's pretty much impossible with all the buffering that CD players have? In any case, I would assume most people play their music from files these days, so as you put earlier, what would be better would be the availability of the music on file formats with specifications that more-or-less match the original masters.
I wouldn't say no to a surround sound edition of an album either - Dolby Atmos please!
Even something like The Flaming Lips did with Zaireeka would be great. My mates and I had a listening party with that one about ten years ago and it was amazing! |
Honestly, I've got the SpecCD and I think I can ear some differences between both recordings. Now this could be a psychological effect from the human being, thinking, "hey this as got better sound, let's try". Big marketing... . I've made a rip to one other friend here in the forum, so let's see if he can hear it too... I guess not.
Apart from all, this is, and still will ever be one more item for the collection. No more than that
Anyone interested in a rip, let me know, by a PM. I'll be glad to send it over for all.
/Tiago
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BudFox
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 19:09 |
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I have made new pictures about my new Bootlegs :
Balaton Sound - Hungary
Barolo Italy
Audi Launch Party
Brussels 1996
Club "J" at Budokan
Deeper Underground mixes
Funky Melody 2
Glasgow SECC
Live in England 1997
F1 Rocks Monza
Montreaux 2003
Malaysia GP
Main Live 2
North Sea Jazz festival
Perth
Turfentschwill - Switzerland
Montreaux 2003
Rock am Ring
Strawinsky audiotorium
Stuttgart 2010
Stuttgart Zapata 2010
You give me something mixes
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FunkyVibes
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
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Location: Eugene, Oregon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 00:09 |
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| JamiroquainPt wrote: |
Honestly, I've got the SpecCD and I think I can ear some differences between both recordings. Now this could be a psychological effect from the human being, thinking, "hey this as got better sound, let's try". Big marketing... . I've made a rip to one other friend here in the forum, so let's see if he can hear it too... I guess not.
Apart from all, this is, and still will ever be one more item for the collection. No more than that
Anyone interested in a rip, let me know, by a PM. I'll be glad to send it over for all.
/Tiago |
Huh that's cool. I got a rip of the DVD layer of the Dynamite dual disc and finally managed to convert it into .wav audio & split the tracks. After all that work, I was able to measure the dynamics.... and the DVD layer is exactly the same as the CD layer. |
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BudFox
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 14:20 |
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Andrew :
"Yep, that's out of the same 15 disc set. Here here it is with the other discs from that set with the same style disc art that (I assume) you don't have (yet Wink) "
Hi Andrew
Absolutely Fantastic...
You have the Australian promo singles what I need...
Super...
What interesting CD's do you have ?
Show pictures to another collectors |
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BudFox
Joined: 15 Feb 2012
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 14:43 |
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Now I have purchased some rare CD's again :
Tiago said that this High Times Blu-Spec disc are super rare too...so Tiago helped me to purchase this edition.. |
How does the sound quality of the blu-spec CD compare to the regular release? |
Last Night
I'm made a test with these stuffs, to compare the audio quality :
Blu-Spec Disc ( High Times compilation)
FLAC files from my Media Player
Normal Emergency on Planet Earth CD
Test Tracks :
Too Young to Die
Blow Your Mind
In Hungary, I am member in the hungarian "Home Theatre Club" , and we often making tests in the home cinema...
Todays best quality is the FLAC files.
Vinyls are also the best quality, but we don't have a 5000-10000 dollar Vinyl player this time...
- So First I listen the FLAC files : 10/10 . These are so crystal clear. You can hear separetely every little effect in the Jamiroquai tracks. The stage is wide and powerful...
(I used the direct mode on my pre-amp, and only the 2 Front speakers working)
- Second was the Blu-Spec. Disc. I played in my Sherwood DVD player. This is a very good player..
Points 9/10. Fast so clear that the FLAC files...but I can hear a little "cloudiness" is my ear, or a little bit "tarnish " in my ear...
Also not so perfect that the Media player...but very close.
- This was the Normal CD. 6/10
Very bad quality compared with the first 2 media.
The effect in the tracks are very cloudiness, and tarnish.
Many fine detail in the tracks are missing.
You cannot hear every little shake of the intsruments.
That is same, that a cloth were pulled before the stage, and you hear the speakers through these cloths...also defecates the fine details from the track.
I think the FLAC files, and the Blu-Spec files were re-edited....so thats why these are better quality.
One-two pictures :
Proson Loudspeakers on granite plate ( these are Swedish speakers)
Christmas time testing 
PCM Stereo
My FLAC files: Media Player Dune
Rotel RMB-1095 Amplifier, Emotiva Pre-Amp
Flac : 830 Kbit
Normal CD
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BudFox
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 15:34 |
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Today is Corner of the Earth day.
These are my Corner of the earth collection :
672 788 2
672 821 2
672 873 2 Australia
XPCD2671 UK
XPCD2671 Swedish sticker
672 788 5
672821 1 UK Cardboard sleeve
672788 9 UK DVD
672821 5 Europe
Corner Of The Earth (Milk & Sugar Remixes) Australia
3 Track Acetate CDr
I'm hunting to a bargain EICP 145 Japan CD...10 Euro or so...these CD's were time to time rarer...and most of them without OBI, so a collector will never buy. |
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FunkyVibes
Joined: 28 Oct 2009
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Location: Eugene, Oregon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 02:52 |
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| BudFox wrote: |
| FunkyVibes wrote: |
| BudFox wrote: |
Now I have purchased some rare CD's again :
Tiago said that this High Times Blu-Spec disc are super rare too...so Tiago helped me to purchase this edition.. |
How does the sound quality of the blu-spec CD compare to the regular release? |
Last Night
I'm made a test with these stuffs, to compare the audio quality :
Blu-Spec Disc ( High Times compilation)
FLAC files from my Media Player
Normal Emergency on Planet Earth CD
Test Tracks :
Too Young to Die
Blow Your Mind
- So First I listen the FLAC files : 10/10
- Second was the Blu-Spec. Disc. I played in my Sherwood DVD player. This is a very good player..
Points 9/10.
- This was the Normal CD. 6/10
I think the FLAC files, and the Blu-Spec files were re-edited....so thats why these are better quality. |
Thank you for reviewing them! Can you clarify where you got the FLAC files from? Did you rip them from one of your own CDs or did you download them?
I'd also like to know what the dynamic range on the blu-spec tracks are. Foobar2000 has a plug in that easily measures tracks by selecting them and left clicking on the option.
This site contains user uploads of those measurements:
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/year/desc?artist=jamiroquai |
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BudFox
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 16:15 |
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| BudFox wrote: |
| FunkyVibes wrote: |
| BudFox wrote: |
Now I have purchased some rare CD's again :
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Last Night
I'm made a test with these stuffs, to compare the audio quality :
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Thank you for reviewing them! Can you clarify where you got the FLAC files from? |
Hi. 
Yes it was a normal discography from torrent :
Jamiroquai - Discography (1993-2010)
Jamiroquai_-_Album_and_DVD_collection
I try to get these media player to see the specifications... |
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BudFox
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Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 18:04 |
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Hi Collectors. Today is Cosmic Girl Day.
see what we have...
ESCA 6608 - Japan - I have 2 CD of these and both with Promo sticker on the back ...so rare
42K 78501 - US - Work
OSK 9267 - US
663829 5 - UK - black sticker on the left corner
663829 2 - UK - white sticker on the right corner
CDSIN143 I - South africa
663693 2 - Australia, blue artwork CD promo
Columbia – none - Tom Belton and David Morales mixes
XPCD 2087 - UK - I love this simply digipack, and design
663829 1 - cardboard sleeve
663693 2 - Australia cardboard sleeve
PRCD 96878 - Mexico ( This is a very rare CD nowadays too..)
I must search the :
663829 5 - UK - white sticker on the right corner (4 track)
663829 2 - UK - black sticker on the right corner (4 track)
663829 1 - cardboard sleeve - French white sticker
and 1-2 unfindable promo Cd |
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John Doggett
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
Posts: 545
Location: France
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 18:22 |
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Very cool !
Congratulations !
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Bozz
Joined: 26 Jan 2010
Posts: 106
Location: ARG > SPA > UK
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 22:22 |
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Very nice stuff Bud!
I love the per-song collections, and the Cosmic Girl Mexican promo in particular. But well, most Mex promos seem to have something special to them, don't they? |
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BudFox
Joined: 15 Feb 2012
Posts: 362
Location: Hungary
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 18:13 |
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Thank you Very Much Collector Friends
to be continued.....
Today is Deeper Underground Day. 
666 218 2 - UK
Work – 42K 79032 - US
CDSIN 287 I - South Africa
Work – OSK 41506 - US
666218 5 - UK & Europe
Epic – ESK41238 - US
665904 2 - UK
PRCD97324 - Mexico
ESCA 7273 - Japan
665989 2 - Australia
2-000401 - Argentina
Columbia 5 Track Promo Acetate
XPCD 2274 - UK
XPCD 2274 - UK
665904 1 - cardboard sleeve - UK
Deeper Discography (The 12" Versions) -Cosmic - 91098
I just ordered the digipak release..
and I just need the Whitfield Street mastering promo CD.. |
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