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anya korjik

Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 217
Location: Russia,MosQuai

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 18:11

O MY GOD!!! Today is really SAD\MAD\BAD//// day for London's p-le!!!!i just tell it -all the p-pl we with London , we know what's a terror(i'm fr.Moscow),&we been hoped for better....& i think it just SHITSSS politics,who played in their dirty games!!! who's is cause this actions&events!!!! [/quote] _________________

JamiroFan2000
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Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 2881
Location: The Jamiroquaized States Of America

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 18:29

Hello, Well put Happy Dude. I was shocked watching the "flawed" American media coverage of the British bombings. I would like to send my condolences to the people of London whom lost loved ones or were injured during these callous actions of others. Peace.... Sincerely, JamiroFan2000 _________________

groovje

Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 18
Location: Germany

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 19:57

Jamirofan, how did this "flawed" media coverage look like? What do you mean? (Is this the appropriate place to ask? ) It makes me cringe when I hear the London head of police say "Well....we had it coming, it was just a matter time". I'm incredibly sorry for anyone involved. _________________ funk you!

EvoV

Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Posts: 1421
Location: figueira da foz - Portugal

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 20:04

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Don't be so naive as to blame this on the USA or the UK, on Bush or Blair. This stuff was going on WAY before Iraq or 9/11. These people don't give a f**k as long as they are killing innocent westerners.

Obvius that problem isn't from now!It got some years... Rolling Eyes

we like to know is when this is going to finish.
I say before that the problem was the petrol,but i can also add the religion.
See farenheit 911 ,is the easy way to understand all.
anyway i like to blame bush!! Very Happy

Blair is just a puppet, that is in the hands of bush Surprised

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Supersonic1

Joined: 16 Apr 2004
Posts: 773
Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 20:18

My condolences to everyone...it's unbelievable how quickly life can change. Yesterday, I see happy faces in Trafalgar Square, and now I see people with gauze, cuts, and shrapnel. Truly unbelievable... _________________ "...I feel that Jamiroquai needs to be taken to another stage now. It really does. Otherwise, I have to be honest, I can see a situation where...there is a possibility that you become lost in the annals of acid jazz history." -- Jason Kay

cheeeba lover

Joined: 08 Jun 2004
Posts: 753
Location: croatia

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 21:24

Happy Dude wrote:

Lista wrote:

And why? Because Blair helped Bush in his attempt to 'rescue' Iran. I don't justify this action, ofcourse, but I expect even more of them as long as USA keeps governing the world.

Wrong.

Why has this happened? Because they are fanatical religious zealots hell-bent on murdering westerners. They hate us and our way of life.

Don't be so naive as to blame this on the USA or the UK, on Bush or Blair. This stuff was going on WAY before Iraq or 9/11. These people don't give a f**k as long as they are killing innocent westerners.

There is no justification and nobody to blame but the people that perpetrate these callous murders.

HD.

wrong!!this is the silliest post that i have ever read!!i cant believe it!!they are religious fanatics..come on,and tell me how the hell in the country where they are coming from is there so much oil!!!
Now this is what happend,it is obvious that this attack was performed when there was a summit of G8,so the european countries thought:why the hell would only usa control the iraq,lets create a bombing in London so now all the european big countries will be in a war against iraq and
al-Q;the same thing is happening like on october 11,the ones that you think are protecting you,are really your enemies and they have created this war,and not some silly religious zealots,like happy dude and all the mislead public would say;people are blind and they believe their own governments,and that is wrong!!
yeah some off you will be pissed with this post,but hell yeah,people should tell the truth!!
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Abou Moslem

Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 312
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina!

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 21:52

EvoV wrote:

heres the price of petrol Rolling Eyes

i know what i say

unfortunately there's always innocent people paying that price.

I couldn't believe Bush's words

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Bush said the attacks contrast sharply with what the Group of Eight is trying to accomplish at its meeting in Scotland and condemned "those who have such evil in their hearts that they take the lives of innocent folks. That's what the war on terrorism is about. We will not yield to the terrorists. We will bring them to justice."

everybody condemns the terrorists, but this mass murderer can't say something like that.
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beena

Joined: 20 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 22:51

First, my condolences go out to anyone affected by this and am so sorry that this happened. Now, I believe that these fked up people do this because they ARE religion fanatics who hate all westerners because how we live. Now of course it makes perfect sense that the goverments would plan this so all of us will have a reason to get in on the war, but come on cheeba, do you think they would really put innocent people in harm's way? I do think, however, that we could've caught these aholes already and that this war is such a mistake. I'm embarassed that Bush is my president and I'll tell you, I sure as hell didn't vote for him. In fact, I think he fixed the elections because there's no way he could've gotten elected again honestly with as many people that hate him here. This war is his daddy's war and there are even memos that leaked showing that this war was planned before 9/11. And now hes got the rest of us in it. AHHH, I'm frustrated too! But don't let these dirty f**ks (terrorist or government) turn us against each other. Read the last sentence again. We are better than them because we choose friends and love over money and power. I don't want to offend ANYONE, I am just stating my personal opinion. Peace, (please) Robyn _________________ This is our corner of the Earth

funkynic

Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 398
Location: Buenos Aires Funkcity!

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 02:54

first of all I´d like to send all my condolences to anyone afected by this... This is the way I see all this sh*t going on... What happened today in London ain´t new. This comes from many years ago... I´d say it all started during cold war when the americans "created" Osama Bin Laden to defeat the Russians... I don´t know wtf happened but after that, Osama became USA´s enemy, maybe he realised he was being used by americans to achieve something and then just "throw him away" The thing is that because of that the world today is a complete mess. The american goverment created something they didn´t know how to treat and now not only their people are suffering it, but all their political friends are... today, unfortunately, was Londons time, nobody knows when or where they´ll strike then. And the saddest thing is that there seems to be no solution to this... Hope not to offend anybody with my oppinion... funkynic _________________

todd_15

Joined: 06 Dec 2004
Posts: 511
Location: byronbay, australia

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 03:13

This is the world he wants......... _________________

PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 676

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 04:42

....so when they gonna learn?

Happy Dude

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
Posts: 28

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 05:55

Wow. Some interesting opinions.

EvoV wrote:

I say before that the problem was the petrol,but i can also add the religion. See farenheit 911 ,is the easy way to understand all.
anyway i like to blame bush!! Blair is just a puppet, that is in the hands of bush

First of all, you'd be suprised to know where the oil consumed in the USA comes from. Do some research online and you'll find the following:

The USA imports about 55% of its oil needs.

Sources of U.S. Oil Imports (millions of barrels per day, 2001): Canada: 1.79 - Saudi Arabia: 1.66 - Venezuela: 1.54 - Mexico: 1.42 - Nigeria: .86 - Iraq: .78 - Norway: .33 - Angola: .32 - United Kingdom: .31 - Total: 11.62. (Source: Energy Information Administration).

Sources of U.S. Oil Imports (%, 2002): Saudi Arabia: 16.9% - Mexico: 15.1% - Canada: 15.0% - Venezuela: 14.4% - Iraq: 11.4% - Nigeria: 5.9.%.

only about 30% of the USA's oil imports came from Arab countries in 2002. Since USA oil imports are about 55% of USA oil consumption, only about 15% of USA's oil consumption is provided by Arab countries.

About 40% of oil in the USA is used to produce gasoline.

So... Petrol??? Do the math and you'll find a very small percentage (around 5%) of ARAB oil actually contributes to petrol production. And we're talking oil from Saudis, not just Iraq.

They import more from f**king CANADA of all places!

Now, as for Michael Moore and Farenheit 9/11. I really REALLY do hope that you don't take what he says as fact. Michael Moore is a VERY persuasive film-maker with a well-known left wing political agenda of his own. Naturally his films are going to be totally biased to convince you of his point of view.

Again, do some research and you'll find that there are more people out there ready to DEBUNK what Michael Moore says then there are to support him. You'll also find factual accounts of what he describes in his films.

Moore Lies is a good place to start.

cheeba lover wrote:

Wow. Now this is an interesting post. Insane, but interesting.

Yes they ARE religious fanatics.

They are poor BRAINWASHED people supported by megalomaniacs like Osama Bin Laden. They are raised and trained as killers and instructed to murder people in the name of their god.

The fact that you want to blame western leaders is very disturbing and offensive. Are you suggesting that these bombings are the work of Western governments in order to push Europe further into the war on terrorism??? Give me a break.

It is exactly this kind of attitude that gives more fuel to their cause in my opinion. That we blame ourselves or the USA every single time these psychopaths choose to blow innocent people up. It's ridiculous and it has to stop.

The blame falls with people like Osama Bin Laden who takes young, poor, and gullible people and provides money and training to them to ultimately commit suicide in the name of HIS cause. What a coward! You don't see Osama Bin Laden doing suicide missions himself do you. He doesn't need to because he has a little army of brainwashed robots to do his dirty work. Go blow yourselves up and Allah will give you a big handshake and 40 virgins in heaven.

Abou Moslem wrote:

everybody condemns the terrorists, but this mass murderer can't say something like that.

Mass murderer???? I really hope you are not referring to Bush.

Mass murder is people who fly areoplanes into buildings. Mass murder is people like Sadam who rape, gas and torture his own people while the world sits back and goes, "nah, that's cool... we'll just get the UN to ask him to stop... again... and again... and again... he'll stop one day".

How you can call Bush a mass murderer is beyond me mate.

beena wrote:

In fact, I think he fixed the elections because there's no way he could've gotten elected again honestly with as many people that hate him here. This war is his daddy's war and there are even memos that leaked showing that this war was planned before 9/11. And now hes got the rest of us in it. AHHH, I'm frustrated too! But don't let these dirty f**ks (terrorist or government) turn us against each other. Read the last sentence again. We are better than them because we choose friends and love over money and power. I don't want to offend ANYONE, I am just stating my personal opinion.

I think the whole fixed-election conspiriacy theory is a little far-fetched. Don't forget that many like-minded governments were re-elected for extended terms; the far simpler explanation is that the majority of people supported their governments enough to re-elect them.

If you have some kind of facts or evidence to substantiate your claim though, I would be open to hearing it.

But yes I agree with you that this kind of thing is turning us against ourselves. As I said earlier, I think the WORST reaction is to turn against our governments and ourselves rather than blaming the psychopaths that do this.

Also, don't ever worry about offending people when you post your opinion, we're all equally entitled to our opinion and disagreeing with people is completely healthy. I know there's going to be a lot of people that disagree with me, but it's only through this kind of discussion and debate that we can learn something. Smile

funkynic wrote:

The thing is that because of that the world today is a complete mess. The american goverment created something they didn´t know how to treat and now not only their people are suffering it, but all their political friends are... today, unfortunately, was Londons time, nobody knows when or where they´ll strike then. And the saddest thing is that there seems to be no solution to this...

I think to label OBL as a creation of the US Government is inaccurate and unfair. I am not going to deny that the US assisted in the fight against the Soviet communist invasion, but i don't see how this could create the religious fanatic that OBL is today. But, I am open to your opinion if you would like to elaborate and justify your claim.

Anyways... there ya have it. Needed to respond because I am angry as all f**k that this has happened again. It's happend to my friends in New York, it's happened to my Aussie friends in Bali and now it's happened to my Aussie and British friends in London.

I don't think that the right way to go is blaming ourselves and our governments. I believe that Blair would have done EVERYTHING in his power to prevent the London bombings. And I would like to commend the British emergency service for the work they did (I would have expected far severe casualties).

Cheers.

HD

Happy Dude

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
Posts: 28

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 06:02

Just read this on one of my local newspaper websites: The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone has condemned the bombings, which have left 52 dead and around 700 injured, issuing the following statement aimed directly at those who attacked the city. "This was a cowardly attack, which has resulted in injury and loss of life. Our thoughts are with everyone who has been injured, or lost loved ones. I want to thank the emergency services for the way they have responded. Following the al-Qaeda attacks on September 11th in America we conducted a series of exercises in London in order to be prepared for just such an attack. One of the exercises undertaken by the government, my office and the emergency and security services was based on the possibility of multiple explosions on the transport system during the Friday rush hour. The plan that came out of that exercise is being executed today, with remarkable efficiency and courage, and I praise those staff who are involved. I'd like to thank Londoners for the calm way in which they have responded to this cowardly attack and echo the advice of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair - do everything possible to assist the police and take the advice of the police about getting home today. I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a terrorist attack. We did hope in the first few minutes after hearing about the events on the Underground that it might simply be a maintenance tragedy. That was not the case. I have been able to stay in touch through the very excellent communications that were established for the eventuality that I might be out of the city at the time of a terrorist attack and they have worked with remarkable effectiveness. I will be in continual contact until I am back in London. I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever. That isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I'm proud to be the mayor of that city. Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life. I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail. In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential. They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don't want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail." Sums it up well I think. Peace HD. Last edited by Happy Dude on Fri Jul 08, 2005 06:05; edited 1 time in total

Happy Dude

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
Posts: 28

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 06:07

Actually mate, I'm Australian, but i'll ignore your racist little comment anyway. Say something constructive or don't say anything at all. HD.

PietroChocko

Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 676

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 06:07

erm, is this a talk about the london blasts or is this going to fester into a slinging match regarding political viewpoints?

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