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Jamirobeto
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Funkynic: I put as an example Jordania because the point was that not all the muslims are fanatics... maybe everyone in arabia are fanatics (you can tell better than me) but arabia is not certainly representative of all the muslim world... about the part that you talk about fanatism i didn't get it... i was trying to apply aristotle in my thougts as a model for ethics but maybe i'm wrong... i'm sure we can discuss this in our own language through msn... by the way... I never thought you were mad at me... I like these discussions in which we can learn from others experiences... so it's ok by me.
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todd_15
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 04:29 |
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Do we even know for sure it was al-queda?
They could be just saying this to get troops back into iraq/afganastan
cheeba lover is there any evidence eg. trusted internet sources or whatever about scientist beleiving that oil isnt from fossills... im interested to know THAT ONE 
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PietroChocko
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 04:42 |
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| todd_15 wrote: |
| cheeba lover is there any evidence eg. trusted internet sources or whatever about scientist beleiving that oil isnt from fossills... im interested to know THAT ONE |
yes, everyone knows that the brontosaurus supplies diesel and the t-rex supplies premium unleaded  |
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cheeeba lover
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Location: croatia
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 07:50 |
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@pietro hehehe
well tod_15 i read it in the newspapers in the science section,i dont remember very well but it said that there is an evidence,i was shocked!! 
search the internet for it,but i belive that this is the truth,when you think about it,it woldnt be in govrnmets and oil companies benefit if people knew this,the price of the oil would go down because of the supply,and usa wouldnt have attacked iraq..yes they could stop all the killing,but its all about the money and power.. 
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muzzander
Joined: 09 Oct 2004
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Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 15:05 |
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my condolences to all Londoners and especially the victims and their families...i feel sorry for what'd happened and wish all of you the best in your life... 
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| The thing is that because of that the world today is a complete mess. The american goverment created something they didn´t know how to treat and now not only their people are suffering it, but all their political friends are... today, unfortunately, was Londons time, nobody knows when or where they´ll strike then. And the saddest thing is that there seems to be no solution to this... |
I think to label OBL as a creation of the US Government is inaccurate and unfair. I am not going to deny that the US assisted in the fight against the Soviet communist invasion, but i don't see how this could create the religious fanatic that OBL is today. But, I am open to your opinion if you would like to elaborate and justify your claim.
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OBL and all the muslam people have always been as fanatic as they are today. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a year and a half, because of my fathers work and I can tell you that all of them are so fanatic of their religion. Almost every two to five hours (I don´t remember well) the whole country woould stop to pray and this special palice called Matawas go out and make shure everyone is praying, If not they can beat you take you to jail or whatever they want. A friend of my father had an acciden driving at night... on a dark road a camel came across and he crashed into it and guess who´s fault was it... my fathers friend, they said the camel was innocent!!!!People from muslam religion live life acording to what their bible ( the Coran) says, and they don´t care about anything else. I have these eductaion books where they would show an arab men all clean and tidy putting the garbage awayv in the trash, and then this, let´s say, "not arab guy" all dirty throwing the garbage anywere in the street.
So as you can see, they are totally insane about their religion... it´s very said but we can´t do nothing about it.
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yo dude...just because you used to live in a muslim country where most of the people there are religion fanatics that doesn't give you the right to generalize all muslims as fanatics...
what you'd experienced in Arab Saudi was more likely just like a law or tradition...i'm a muslim and i sometimes do miss my prayers but i never got beaten because of that...i live in a country where Islam is the main religion and majority of people here are muslim but there's never a law that says any muslims who miss their prayers will get beaten...The beating, Matawas and all the so-called "horrible" things that u used to experienced were merely a man-made law...that's how things are done and practice there...all the people who lived there prefer that kind of life so you have to respect that...
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| People from muslam religion live life acording to what their bible ( the Coran) says, and they don´t care about anything else. I have these eductaion books where they would show an arab men all clean and tidy putting the garbage awayv in the trash, and then this, let´s say, "not arab guy" all dirty throwing the garbage anywere in the street. |
so this mean all muslims are racist? ...there are millions of people in this world who practice Islam as their religion and not all of them is Arab...i'm muslim and i'm not an arab...yes, we muslims are told to live life according to our Koran but there's no such thing as if you're muslim you're in the more superior race than the others...Islam is a religion not a race...if what you're saying is true...there's no way i can be a muslim since i'm not an arab right?..and Koran told us to respect others regardless of their race, religion and skin-color..
i respect your comment and i believe in "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" but you dealing with quite a sensitive issue here and please don't generalize Islam and all muslims as fanatics just because you'd met a handful of muslims that happened to be a fanatics...they're not representing muslim all around the world...next time please do your research before making a statement...
when i first read the headline...i felt shattered because of the casualties and it was told that al-qaeda was the one that responsible for doing it...again, Islam name was on the line and again people all around the world pointing their fingers at Muslims as terrorists and bombarding Islam as violent and dangerous
people should stop blaming others and stop generalizing things just because these bastards come from this and that particular background...i know bush has done many bad things that led to suffering on people at other countries like afghanistan and iraq...but i dont label all american as trigger-happy people just because bush is american...and also some israelians troops cause casualties to many palestinians but i dont go cursing all jewish as sadistic...eventhough i'm totally against the iraq war, i felt relief that at last saddam's reign of terror was over...and i really hope osama will be captured so that all this Islam=terrorist bullshit will be over...
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funkynic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 17:16 |
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First of all to jamirobeto... Im not mad at you men, it´s all ok, maybe I misspelled in my last post. Sorry for that.
To muzzander: first of all I´d like to tell you sorry if I hurt your feelings, I know maybe i generalized and bad-expressed myself. Im not saying this is like this, but just, I think this is like this. Actually I´m not blaming the muslim people I was just telling things I lived in a special country religiously (you know that huge Meca and that stuff) to help other in this forum understan that, eaven though we might not like it, that´s the lifestille they chose to do. If I had to blame somebody, that´d be USA goverment.
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muzzander
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:15 |
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yo funkynic thanks for the clarification, i'm also sorry if my words were somehow offended you & the others...
i know many people blaming all the power-house countries like US and Britain and also the terrorist like Al-Qaeda...but i personally don't put all the blames towards organization like US governments and Al-Qaeda...all the shits happened nowadays were caused by some bastards who used their powers in the organizations (like bush, osama and saddam) to control and abused whatever they want for their own interest and used excuses like "fight against terrorism" and "Jihad(Holy War)" to make their personal wars more public or "acceptable"...
there are thousands maybe millions of american work for the US government and not all of them supports bush's policies regarding the "fight against terrorism" and there are probably thousands of muslims supports and involve with the al-qaeda but most of them are desperates and being lied too...people do everything when they're in desperation...
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jay88
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 14:11 |
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I just heard there were more blasts 
apparently noone was killed cos only the detonators went off
anyone heard anything? |
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Saffy7
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 14:44 |
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| jay88 wrote: |
I just heard there were more blasts
apparently noone was killed cos only the detonators went off
anyone heard anything? |
Hey!
The police have announced that one person was injured in the incident. There was an explosion on a bus in Hackney and 3 tubes/tube stations were effected by 'some kind of explosion'. An attempt was made to effect a fourth, but it was prevented.
I'll keep you posted as I hear more information.
Hope everyone is ok!
Claire.x.
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JamiroFan2000
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 16:42 |
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 Hello,
 Yeah, American media, as flopsome and bored of ACTUAL news as it is, has been covering today's terrorist related incidents in London today . Pretty much only NBC has been willing to interupt their local programming to stream the latest information about this on US Television, they other networks offered no coverage. And when I mean the other networks, I'm talking about the other 2 big non-cable networks, CBS & ABC. They reported one death that was NOT incident related and lots of white powder, which they say is a byproduct of the homemade bombs that were made. A joint Londonian Police briefing is now in progress, you can watch a live feed of it here:
 http://www.msnbc.com
Of course, all Americans send their condolences to the family of the one death of these incidents. Thanks for listening and Peace...
Sincerely,
JamiroFan2000
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FunkyDonkey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:31 |
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That's really awful. I convinced myself of the safety of London after the attack of 7th July despite police warned for new attacks. The strage thing is that none of the bombs exploded...quite strange uh?
This world if full of sick bastards...
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VirtuallyInsane
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:42 |
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And now a guy has apparently been shot dead on the underground by the police - it never ends... |
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VirtuallyInsane
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 21:56 |
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| A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm |
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