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Do you like the "black" rap/R&B?

Hell yeh.

38%

[ 15 ]

Hell no.

25%

[ 10 ]

If you are looking for a description of "disgusting music", this is the place to start.

35%

[ 14 ]

Total Votes : 39

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mr.az

Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 00:32

Lista wrote:

It's commercial music. You can't expect it to be great. But for a night out Lil Bit will do just fine.

for me is boring...always the same
i agree to this post, is SO commercial...
if u want real music buy a jamiroquai cd, a punk cd, a jazz cd or a cd of a band with''brain''
looks like many rap singers only talk about''girls, girls, cars, money''...
is boring
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Zero Gravity

Joined: 16 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:29

I`m glad that some of you can recognize the difference between good hip hop artists and bad artists, rather than piliing them all together as crap. Any genre has crappy artists, who often become the most popular for some reason (because most people don`t take music too deeply, I guess). Bon Jovi and Jane`s Addiction may both be rock music, but they are very different and I think that one is much deeper than the other. It`s the same for hip hop. A lot of people seem to think that rappers have no talent, that they`re just TALKING. No way! Try notating an Eminem vocal track onto sheet music. The patterns and themes are rediculously hard. If you can`t write read and music, then try to sing an Eminem song at karaoke. Believe me, it isn`t easy. Another rapper I love, Ice Cube, has a voice with such sharp attack and dynamic articulation, it reminds me of Stuart Zender`s live playing...it feels like your being kicked in the stomach with every note. I don`t like most rap artists, but I don`t like most funk or rock artists either. I treat each artist individually, as I do for all genres. _________________ OSAKA IS IN THE HOUSE!

nomilktoday

Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Posts: 1
Location: Australia

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 08:59

Yeah most of the stuff on the charts these days is absolute trash. So a song which is terrible musically must have a good meaning and some relevant lyrics? NO! Lets rap about something that happened ages ago, or lets rap about going to a club and selecting the woman/women (object/s) of our choice. I wont even get started on the horrible music video clips..Pop music really needs to move on from this!! I am so sick of it. If you are gonna write a boring pointless rap song, at least have a good beat to it! They all sound the same lately. _________________ "No, I never pee in the waterfall. I tell you what, though, I'm looking forward to coming over to San Francisco." - Jason

stickup_kid

Joined: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 24

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 01:35

Jaminneapolis wrote:

If you stomach tryin to sample these guys, they represent the genre a lot better than 50 cent in my opinion.

I'll break this down in 3 parts:
1) Good stuff from guys you've never heard of
Common: "Be"
Kanye West: "The College Dropout"
Anything from the Roots or Jurassic 5

2) Good stuff from the Cliche'd guys
Anything from Ludacris, Eminem, Outkast or Fabolous

3) The Classic Albums:
Notorious B.I.G.: "Ready to Die"
Snoop Dogg: "Doggystyle" (considered by a lot to be the best rap album ever made)- I know you hate the guy, but it's because he hasn't come close to matching this masterpiece ever since.
Beastie Boys: "Licensed to Ill" and "Paul's Boutique". Eventhough "L.T.I." gets more credit and fanfare, "P.B." is the better album, but they're both good.
Busta Rhymes: "When Disaster Strikes" This guy is very hit or miss with his music, but this album was a classic. It doesn't get that much credit for because it wasn't life changing or brought on a new era or style, IT'S JUST AN F'N GOOD ALBUM!

Guys,
Im probably omitting a ton of obvious artists and albums on here, so feel free to give Pietro more suggestions. If you still choose to hate that kind of music, fine, but Im trying to point you towards the best the genre has to offer, and what you hear on top 40 and pop radio does not provide you with that. Peace!

excellent examples of good stuff, but i'd like to add MF DOOM to the list. i haven't heard anything by this guy i didn't like. for those of you that think all rap is about money, women and such, listen to this guy, he'll set you straight.

Jaminneapolis wrote:

Very true... But the whole "Demon Days" album isn't rap. But "Feel Good Inc." is a good song. Don't forget about "Clint Eastwood" from their last one also.

this album has more rap on it than the others, but it's still tops for me

deesh

Joined: 23 Feb 2002
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 13:02

hi. i speak up when i have something to say..never mean to offend anyone, but....ugh i'm just seeing this topic and i'm happy sam and pete commented. i won't repeat. i'm sorry so many of you have been exposed to only radio POP and perceive that as HIP-HOP. dig a bit deeper and you may find actually HIP-HOP..not rap, HIP-HOP. not those that brand themselves HIP-HOP, i'm speaking of the culture. the dj'ing, the breakdancing, graffiti, and MCing. NOT RAP! the word 'black' in the title was a bit unneccessary. there is bad 'non-black' hip-hop/rap too (paul wall, vanilla ice, bubba sparxx, house of pain..need i go on) bad music is bad music. when people talk about other genres of music, i never see it labeled or prefixed with a color. strange how that works, huh ? education! love, deesh

deesh

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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 16:31

here you go...the alternative to what you all know as 'black' hip-hop and rap. here is some quality hip-hop/rap that defines the culture. the roots....: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/oneclick/common.shtml?focuswin not saying you are going to like it (you don't have to and i'm not trying to get you to), but this shows that hip-hop is political. that when other genres were afraid of speaking up against injustice, hip-hop wasn't....gotta give credit where credit is due..

Ivy

Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 336

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 07:09

couldn't agree more vibingirl ...there is lack of quality out there in radio land but sometimes they do play some good hip hop .some of the good current ones : lCommon (what u mentioned Vibingirl) , Talib Kweli, some of Kanye, the Roots. ..i don't personally own every album outhere.from these guys but i had a choice I would immediately buy talib kweli's music, and Kanye...Common's recent album is like what others have said, a classic...so ur really missing out if u think that avoiding all types of hip hop and rap is necessary......some of the worst hip hop/rap i ve ever heard has to be eminem....i just don't see what others see in him who knows

Jaminneapolis

Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 822
Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:20

IVY, I gotta disagree... It's not a white/black thing either. When it comes to truly mainstream, pop top 40, MTV type hip hop artists out there, lyrically no one is even close to Eminem. Eminem and Ludacris one a consistent basis are the best lyrically. But Commn's "Be" blew every other hip hop album out of the water this year. Not even close... But speaking of the whole black/white thing goin on in hip hop, I'd like to introduce y'all to a guy called Brother Ali. Here's a link of his live perforamnce on 89.3 the Current last weekend. I tried gettin into his show last Friday but it sold out If you guys got time to listen to listen to the interview/live performance, I definately encourage it, plus this pic of this guy is real! It'll surpise you for sure.... but it's really what he looks like. Enjoy http://minnesota.publicradio.org/radio/services/the_current/instudio.php _________________ Wouldn't 'ya like... To walk the sunny avenues of life?

deesh

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:50

Jaminneapolis wrote:

IVY,
IIt's not a white/black thing either.

I agree with this. That's why I don't understand why this topic includes the word 'black', and it is very DISTURBING that people didn't get bothered by that. I guess I am just sensitive.

Eminem --- YIKES! One thing I will say about him is he puts on a good show and back in the day he was lyrically dope. Now...ummm, I'm a bit sick of the same flow style. It's consistent to me because it's the same. When he collaborates with someone, he usually changes it up, but I've worn out on him and my best friend loveeeees Em, so I've heard it all. He's ran out of gimmicks for me and although his fan base is steady and huge, I just can't get down with him at all no more. He's still got those punchlines and some good complex lyrics, but I haven't heard a whole song like that in a long, long time.

Ludacris --- Since he was a Radio Jock turned MC, when he first came out he sounded like that to me. But he is one that has matured and crafted his skills. His last album was really good actually, and I was surprised, although I bought it for the Nas/Doug E. Fresh collaboration. Also, the song with Jamie Foxx - Georgia - is nice. He is also one that puts on a really good show. He is very creative too..the videos are always entertaining.

Funny, I've seen both above in concert twice and they were together.

I've heard of Brother Ali before, and will check out that link today!

Ivy - The sad part isn't that this stuff is out there, because truthfully the consumers buy it, so why not make it? The sad part is people judge the hip-hop culture by this only. That's just sad.

Great dialect. Thanks for responding Pete and Ivy!

VirtuallyInsane

Joined: 10 Jun 2002
Posts: 868

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 19:51

The black/white "issue" isn't an issue or it shouldn't be. Stereotypes of who will do what based on skin colour is just old & tired. Yeah, so some hip-hop artists are black but then there are plenty of white artists out there as well. Maybe being English I'm throwing in a different slant here but the UK hip hop I listen to encompasses artists of different backgrounds & different skin colours. It doesn't mean that one is better than the other... You talk about the cliche's in rap & hip-hop lyrics. Maybe I'm blind but if you take any genre of music & only consider the mainstream part of it you'll find a lot of cliche's there as well. A trend never sets a precedent unless you refuse to see past it & appreciate the gems lurking beneath the surface... Then it's your loss...

Jaminneapolis

Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 822
Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:21

Deesh, I think what you don't like Eminem for is what I do like him for. At least he's consistent. I think he's at his best actually when he's doing his autobiographical songs compared to his more humorous ones. But you're right, as a whole... mainstream hip hop has really fallen off in quality... Yet it's sales and popularity biz-wise seem to be doing better than ever. 50 is ok... he's mediocre, but he is who he is on his image and his story... not his skills. Nelly? Mike Jones? Yin Yang? B.E.P.? Some of their stuff is ok, but nothin excites me anymore. Seems like Common's "Chi City" covers this a lil bit... The game need a makeover My man retired, I'ma take over Tell these halftime @#%$ break's over I'm raw hustlas getcha bakin' soda Too many rape the culture Leave rappers with careers and their faith over It's a war goin' on you can't fake bein' a soldier In the basement listenin' to tapes of Ultramagnetic to the fact I'm a science black I turn the TV down we could take it higher than that I wonder if these wack @#%$ realize they wack And they the reason my people say they tired of rap _________________ Wouldn't 'ya like... To walk the sunny avenues of life?

deesh

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 05:14

Pete - I love that Common reference. I guess I'd be more of an Eminem fan if I believe that his 'skills' truly carried him to where he is. To me, it was a combination of a bunch of teenagers needed a mascot of rebellion, a bunch of girls gawking over him being 'hot', and gimmicks, gimmicks, gimmicks. It's like he put on a clown face and suit for dollars and traded in his 'skills'. I wish he was the same Eminem that battled in the studio before the record deal and the same Eminem that slaughtered corners, but to me..he isn't, IMO. Happy New Year all. You all probably won't see me around much in 2006, because it's a very busy January, but I'll try to pop in once in awhile!

mr.az

Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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Location: rallying

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 21:14

i must recognize i like some eminem stuff...but i realize in my free time... _________________ Only a fool can walk away from me this time TWM=RDLS AFO=AUTOMATON

Maxud

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Posts: 1281
Location: Germany

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 20:53

yes the modern hip hop is only commercial crap! but the old hip hop or some songs of it are very good! tupac done a lots of good songs: do for love, who do you believe in (many people of you know that song^^) i dont like that modern "pop hip hop" theyre only saying imma hustler and sitting in their videos inside of a hummer and that are the greatest hits in the charts... _________________ maxud braucht funk food denn dann bleibt maxud maxud tell me if these are ligh years... dont stop the beat...

KennyAkira

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 84
Location: ITALIA

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:30

On my opinion it's wrong to look at this kind of music like a boring one. Some artists have a great style and their music is more complicated than the Eminem one. I found good vibrations and cool rhythms in Snoop Dogg music as well as in Coolio's one or Pharrell (his style is undiscussed!) or also Notorius B.I.G. I think we don't have to "mix shit with chocolate" !!! My suggest : To know every kind of music means to search deeply through its artist and their all works but not to stop at the first impression that Mtv (for example) give us! Stay cool.. Micaela. _________________ Everything is good...

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