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Dye
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The Origin of Jamiroquai
The Origin of Jamiroquai
Since we are fans of this band, I thought we should know more about the origin of the name. A combination between different words, and one of them is “Iroquois”. And as we don’t know much (or at least, I don’t) here I made a little “map” about Iroquois history:
The original homeland of the Iroquois was in upstate New York between the Adirondack Mountains and Niagara Falls. Through conquest and migration, they gained control of most of the northeastern United States and eastern Canada.
During the hundred years preceding the American Revolution, wars with French-allied Algonquin and British colonial settlement forced them back within their original boundaries once again. Their decision to side with the British during the Revolutionary War was a disaster for the Iroquois. The American invasion of their homeland in 1779 drove many of the Iroquois into southern Ontario where they have remained. With large Iroquois communities already located along the upper St. Lawrence in Quebec at the time, roughly half of the Iroquois population has since lived in Canada. This includes most of the Mohawk along with representative groups from the other tribes. Although most Iroquois reserves are in southern Ontario and Quebec, one small group (Michel's band) settled in Alberta during the 1800s as part of the fur trade. Considering their impact on history, it is amazing how few Iroquois there were in 1600 - probably less than 20,000 for all five tribes. Their inland location protected them somewhat from the initial European epidemics, but these had reached them by 1650 and, combined with warfare, cut their population to about half of its original number. However, unlike other native populations which continued to drop, the Iroquois, through the massive adoption of conquored Iroquian-speaking enemies actually increased and reached their maximum number in 1660, about 25,000. Absorption of this many outsiders was not without major problems - not the least of which was the Iroquois became a minority within their own confederacy.
Iroquois is an easily recognized name, but like the names of many tribes, it was given them by their enemies. The Algonquin called them the Iroqu (Irinakhoiw) "rattlesnakes." After the French added the Gallic suffix "-ois" to this insult, the name became Iroquois. The Iroquois call themselves Haudenosaunee meaning "people of the long house." Other names: Canton Indians; Confederate Indians; Ehressaronon (Huron); Five Nations; Massawomeck (Powhatan); Matchenawtowaig (Ottawa "bad snakes"); Mengue (French); Mingo, Minqua, Mingwe (Delaware); Nadowa, Nadowaig, Nautowa (Ojibwe "adders"); and after 1722, the Six Nations.
The Iroquois were the most important native group in North American history. Culturally, however, there was little to distinguish them from their Iroquian-speaking neighbors. All had matrilineal social structures - the women owned all property and determined kinship. The individual Iroquois tribes were divided into three clans, turtle, bear, and wolf - each headed by the clan mother. The Seneca were like the Huron tribes and had eight (the five additional being the crane, snipe, hawk, beaver, and deer). After marriage, a man moved into his wife's longhouse, and their children became members of her clan. Iroquois villages were generally fortified and large. The distinctive, communal longhouses of the different clans could be over 200' in length and were built about a framework covered with elm bark, the Iroquois' material of choice for all manner of things. Villages were permanent in the sense they were moved only for defensive purposes or when the soil became exhausted (about every twenty years).
It was the Iroquois political system, however, that made them unique, and because of it, they dominated the first 200-years of colonial history in both Canada and the United States. Strangely enough, there were never that many of them, and the enemies they defeated in war were often twice their size. Although much has been made of their Dutch firearms, the Iroquois prevailed because of their unity, sense of purpose, and superior political organization.
Jay says in Emergency On Planet Earth: “To all native Americans, especially the Iroquois –the name is a natural occurrence and it is put forward with the utmost respect to all of you because I know you’re right. I feel and hope you can understand this: always remember, there are many Wasichus who want things to be the same as you and all your brothers and sisters across the nation which was once yours”.
“The Yiddaki (Digeridoo) was played by Wallis Buchanan with the uppermost respect for the Aboriginal people and their struggle for land rights and peace”
What I did here was a little summary, for more info:
http://www.tolatsga.org/iro.html
http://www.mce.k12tn.net/indians/reports1/iroquois.htm
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/ohc/history/h_indian/tribes/iroquois.shtml
Anyway, while checking the complete history of the Iroquois, I came up with a place called ‘Buffalo Creek’:
“The final blow came with the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Pressure built to remove the remaining Iroquois from New York. The result was the Treaty of Buffalo Creek (Treaty with the New York Indians) signed in 1838 where the Iroquois agreed to move to southeastern Kansas”.
Funny thing that one of the most important things on the history of Iroquois includes the word “Buffalo”...!!!!!
And check this out: “Iroquois sachemships were usually held for life, although they could be removed for misconduct or incompetence. The emblem of their office was the deer antler head dress, and guided by an all-male council, the sachems ruled in times of peace. War chiefs were chosen on the basis of birth, experience, and ability, but exercised power only during war”.
Haha! Amazing! 
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VirtuallyInsane
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 20:17 |
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 Great reading Diego!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 21:28 |
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Great post Diego, nice of you to do this research for us! Keep it up
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 08:11 |
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GRREAT!!specially that part with the antlers..
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 00:56 |
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Heres a translated Iroquois writing that I found in a book called In the Trail of the Wind. This is called the Requickening.
Now do we pass our hands through your tears in sympathy; now
we wipe away the tears from your face, using the white
fawn-skin of pity.
Now, therefore, let them say, we have wiped your tears.
Now, therefore, in peace of mind, you will continue to look
around yourself, enjoying again the light of day. Now,
also, you will again behold what is taking place on the earth,
whereon is outspread the handiwork of the Master of All
Things.
Now, also, you will again see your nephews and nieces, as they
move about your person, even to the least of them, the in-
fants. Now, you will see them all again.
Now, therefore, verily, you will again do your thinking in peace,
you, my offspring, noble one, you whom I have held in my
bosom.
notes: translated from Iroquois in 1944 by J N B Hewitt in Journal of the Washington Academy of Sciences. This is from the Ritual of Condolence. As the book states 'The orator representing the "elder" nations assuages the grief of the younger nations, whom he addresses collectively as "my offspring, you, noble one" (noble because they are chiefs). Your nephews and nieces: a stylized way of saying "your fellow clansmen."
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Dye
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 19:48 |
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That was very interesting! Thanks for sharing it!
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Dye
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 18:54 |
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Hello Jamirotalkers
The Origin continues! The COTE video is a great example of the Iroquios look:
3 sundays ago, in a magazine there was an article about american indians... Iroquios was not mentioned, however, there were some pics with a man with the exact hat he wears in the COTE video.. an exact one!!!
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anya korjik
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 20:18 |
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Diego/thanks so much for this theme!!!!!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 21:23 |
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Wow, Diego, what can I say? You did it again
Thank tou very much Diego and Mandy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 05:10 |
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very good post
always is good learn sometin new...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 01:29 |
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Very interesting.
It could mean this:
Jay the wild yam...female tonic
Here's why:
Jamiro (a common name, probably a form of Jay)
and
Quai, which I believe is a French term, and also an old English term
Quay, which is "a structure built parallel on a waterway for a use as a landing structure.
Au Quai is French and it means, "to the dock".
HOWEVER,
There is also Dong Quai which is a "portion of the root of the Chinese perennial ANGELICA SINENSIS, or a Japanese plant. An herbal used as a remedy for the female reproductive system. OH yeeeah.; )~
It's a wild yam.
It's believed coumarins may also relax the muscles of the uterus, which helps explain the effectiveness of dong quai at soothing menstrual cramps.
Dong quai is also thought to help relieve PMS symptoms. The reputation of dong quai as a female tonic is largely a result of its ability to lessen the problems of PMS and also to regulate menstrual cycles. Many women have used dong quai to treat amenorrhea (missing or irregular menstrual cycles) and hemorrhagic (prolonged, chronic, or heavy periods). It's thought that the antispasmodic and anti-inflammatory actions of the herb are responsible for its purported healing effects.
dong quai appears to be helpful in controlling hot flashes associated with menopause."
So then we have:
Jay's Landing Structure, home, stomping ground on the edge of the ocean, world. Jay's spot on this earth.
or
Jay the wild yam...female tonic.  That's gotta be it. (laughing)
Actually, I'm sure that "D" is correct. I just thought this was cool.
After all, Jamiroquai's music works beautifully as a remedy for me.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:12 |
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plz now is the time to screw the lid back on that cheap syrup jar. its spilling all over the place and atracting a lot of flies. jamiroquai are jamiroqai like the diego man says. why do you talk so much and not listen n' learn |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 16:40 |
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I read the meaning of the name from Jay Kay's own words. So, actually, I KNEW that Big D
was right as I read this thread in the first place.
I SAID,
"D IS RIGHT"
but, isn't it kind of cool how the name also works out with Quai.
D's the man!
I was just having fun because I noticed that Quai and Jamrioquai had something in common (they both make ya feel beter). Hee hee, get it,
just having fun. "sunshine shine down..."
Maybe a bit corny...or "syrupy" for your taste but, hey it's a free fucking world, eh.
So, slurp on that cheap ass honeysuckle juice beeotch.
I mean if your gonna get smartass on someone, why not "be sure"
you understand what the fuck they're saying first.
Is it a language barrier thing around here or what?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 16:32 |
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Jamiroquai this name sounds moslem not indian, if i spelling someone believe it and mix words such Al Jamiroquai definetly trust me |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 22:17 |
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So, slurp on that cheap ass honeysuckle juice beeotch.
I mean if your gonna get smartass on someone, why not "be sure"
you understand what the fuck they're saying first. |
you go with yourself girl! What were they refering to? If they didnt like your post why did they have to bash you like that?? that's just lame.
 nice reading Dyego... you did some great research. Thank you!
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