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jamirokaki
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| deesh wrote: |
| none of us (to my knowledge) know the details of that contract. we don't know what it says. we don't know who owns the copyrights, the publishing, the masters, all the live shows. we don't know the percentage of how the money goes to jay or how the money goes from jay to the others. we don't know if the split is mutual or one sided. we have no clue how that contract affects the tour. we also have no idea of the clauses that are in that contract that concern when it is terminated. |
it is true that we don't know so many details but it is so probable in this way:
copyrights: the songs rights are from the writters of the song, so the song itself (not the record) is from jay/toby or whoever wrote it.the production of the songs is mainly from jay in all the tracks
production: each released song haves also a producer, in jamiroquai's song case varies from album to album, in EOPE it's mainly jk/mike nielsen, also only jk in some or jk/toby in others,in the ablum you can clearly read that "the copyright in this sound recording is owned by sony music entertainment (UK) ltd.
in TROTSC happens the same, jay haves the production of the tracks, jk and mike nielsen the production of the original recordings and also appears al stone on record production credits, the same owning message appears in the album (in all jamiroquai albums)
in TWM the coproduction is by jay and al stone, in SYNK happens the same, in AFO is coproduced by jay and the pope. in DYNAMITE the production credit is mainly from mike spencer, some songs by mike spencer/jk.
this mean that for each album selled sony gets a high percentage as owner of the copyright of the soundrecording, another percentage is for the producers (that's why jay is that rich) aand another (small) percentage is for the writters.
is pressumible to think that jay owns so many demo's and jammings recorded and sony don't have so much to do with them.
about the money from jay to the others, we all know that is only jay who have signed with sony, no any other bandmember, so it is him who gives the bandmembers a percentage of the money sony gives him (both for album sales and concerts), i think there been quite some problems with this issue with past members of the band because jay gets so many credit to himself....
it's a known thing that the best way for artists to win money is from the concerts. in the concerts sony does not nothing to do, the songs they play are from the writters and the money goes all for jay (who pays the bandmembers) and the staff (engineers, tech....) is this why jay and the rest of bandmembers got also that much money
about split, theres no any split, just the contract is end, jay don't wants to sign again with sony.
about how affect to the tour we don't know but surely jay haves signed a minimum time for touring for promotion after the release of each album with sony, so expect a greatest hits tour after the album, appart from that i don't think there are more clauses after the finish of the contract.
i don't think jay gots signed a bad deal with sony as you can see in his life.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 14:59 |
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good breakdown, but...
the songwriter does not get necessarily get the copyrights in all cases if they didn't copyright it themselves. in america, it's 30 bucks to copyright something. or you can do the poor mans way and write your lyrics down, mail it to yourself and never open the envelope. the official post date and symbol will be proof.
there is a big difference between copyrights and masters.
you are skipping a valid link, which is while jay may have written a song, and al may have produced it, SONY could still own the masters to that song. this is why copyrighting as an independent artist is so, so important and making sure you own your masters.
great example - puffy (pdiddy) signed a hip-hop group back in the day. them being eager, signed on the dotted line. well, eventually the two had a fall out and they left his label. they then got signed to another label, but they couldn't use NONE of the music they did with puffy on his label, because he owned the masters. just recently, he finally handed them over to them.
remember the monty python scandal? bbc owned their masters, sold it to abc and it ended up in a lawsuit that eventually got the comedians and creators their masters.
look at michael jackson who owns the masters to the beatles...he can sell it to whoever he wants, and only give sir paul a small cut. hence, their long going feud.
i think this helps explains why we hear 'feels just like it should' in a payless commercial. sony sold it to payless and gave jay probably a tiny cut, if even that. this also explains why there are so many independent record labels, because they want to own their work.
i agree that the best way to get money is from tours. there are some bands that only tour after years and years and that is what they live off of. it's because the version you hear live isn't the masters version, so sony can't touch that! suckers!!!
we keep saying how jay doesn't want to sign and i think truthfully sony doesn't want to resign him. they have acts that are making much more money, and they are in the business of making money at any expense, so i'm sure the split is amicable.
bottom line: if you don't own your masters, you are royally screwed. i just hope the boys do.
then again, i don't know anything really either and this is all just the view from my world. all i'm saying is...let's buckle up and enjoy the ride, it's been great so far  |
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 14:38 |
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yes, it may be the case, so lets just hope everything is alright for jay
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 21:36 |
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Well - I think that the band will split up after ending the contract.
Why do I think such things?
See: Jay wants to have a family, he is looking for "the real life"... |
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FunkEducation
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 00:04 |
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but there is another side that is called: "music"...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 03:03 |
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... and good vibes... |
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Space Clav
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 08:50 |
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Well - I think that the band will split up after ending the contract.
Why do I think such things?
See: Jay wants to have a family, he is looking for "the real life"... |
If he wants a family he should find a suitable woman to give birth to children first.
Anyway, having a family doesn't necessarily mean they break up. I can imagine a break though. But during this break they can find their roots again. Changing diapers could be the therapy Jay needs to find his way back to the acid jazz.
Having a family and keeping it will of course mean no more long world tours. But they could keep writing and recording songs when time permits. They could also do a few concerts from time to time. Wife and kids won't mind if daddy's away for a few days at a time 5-10 times/year. This would be enough to keep the fan base intact. Release records, do some gigs... the devoted fans will travel, those who can't are happy enough with the records. Make sure to release some live albums and DVDs.
Without extensive touring and marketing they won't be as huge as they could be. But they could keep doing what they like, get some money doing it and keep the fanbase intact. At least he hardcore fans would be happy... better with something than nothing.
Set up their own label (Orenda?) and sell their records and merchandise through their own distribution channels. Sign other artists (work with Angelic perhaps? - Yes Toby, come back!) and make sure talent is more important than sales. Just as long as the numbers aren't red at the end of the year all is good, innit? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:26 |
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great post space clav..funny - "Changing diapers could be the therapy Jay needs to find his way back to the acid jazz."
and about that finding a woman to give birth - he could also very well adopt a child  |
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Space Clav
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| deesh wrote: |
great post space clav..funny - "Changing diapers could be the therapy Jay needs to find his way back to the acid jazz."
and about that finding a woman to give birth - he could also very well adopt a child |
Adoption? Well, that's a possibility of course. But I don't think UK law permits a single male to adopt... only couples can adopt children. It's at least like that in Sweden I just assume it's like that in the whole EU. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 16:13 |
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^oh, good point. i didn't think about how the laws vary worldwide. here (USA), you don't have to be a couple, just prove you can care for and provide a child physically,emotionally, financially and that you aren't a damn nut job yourself.  it's harder for single males, but i've seen a few do it and they are great fathers!
it's easier to adopt from another country if you are a USA citizen, then from this one. sorry, that's getting off track. back to the greatest hits... |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 18:39 |
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hiya
i hope jamiroquai does bring out a greatest hits album and i hope they carry on making cool music!!  
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 21:06 |
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Re: hiya
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| i hope jamiroquai does bring out a greatest hits album and i hope they carry on making cool music!! |
yea is sure they stay making very good music, we dont know how so long time can be but anyways...good luck for the future jamiroquai
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Catman
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 00:33 |
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| becca_jk wrote: |
| i hope jamiroquai does bring out a greatest hits album and i hope they carry on making cool music!! |
well since its already been annouced offically i think its safe to say they are gonna bring it out.... 
eww another jk fan 
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Zsoma
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:45 |
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Re: hiya
| Catman wrote: |
| becca_jk wrote: |
| i hope jamiroquai does bring out a greatest hits album and i hope they carry on making cool music!! |
well since its already been annouced offically i think its safe to say they are gonna bring it out....
eww another jk fan
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Well, I think we can say the Greatest Hits will be released as a few minutes before there was a small interview with Jay in the hungarian RTL, where Jay was asked about the future plans and Jay replied that the band is going to release a Greatest Hits album in November . Unfortunately no additional info about the fourth single...  |
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