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Catman
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go germany!!! ... i bet italy will win tho becoz fifa is italian and corrupted! haha.... |
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Samiroquai
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Location: North Somerset and Manchester, both in England
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 00:50 |
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| Andrew wrote: |
Yeah, these Irish guys are pretty tough - at the end of every season we play a competition of 'International Rules' football with them which is a hybrid of our two games (to make it kinda fair for both teams I guess - they're very similar codes anyway). Although Sam, I'm not sure they have tackling like we do - I always feel guilty when one of the Irish guys gets flattened coz they're not expecting it!
Anyway, just to show you all that Aussie Rules is not all violence, I found this cheesy clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GClrwzgGxAM |
Thanks for that Andrew, though I do now feel almost physically sick from the sheer cheesiness of it! One thing that caught my eye though... a South Koren called Peter Bell? Who doesn't look at all Korean? Eh?
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Back on-offtopic:
I'm no soccer expert, so maybe someone can tell me - is it usual for the referees to have such a bearing on the outcome of these matches? I find it torturous that two teams can play their guts out, only to have the result decided by a single (quite possibly dubious) decision from the ref. in the dying seconds (yeah, I'm referring to the Italy/Australia game  ).
Out here, we say the best games are when you don't notice the umpire is out there. It seems the referees are getting talked about alot in this World Cup. |
Yeah, it's always the same. The best games, as you say, are those in which you don't notice the ref. But even in the domestic leagues around the world, every weekend there are controversial refereeing decisions etc. It's a symptom of football's (or rather FIFA's) really bizarre refusal to embrace technology to aid the decision-making. World Cups just exacerbate it because FIFA tell refs to clamp down on certain rules and start interpreting them in new ways - so the poor loves get confused and think it's changed to three yellows = red.
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funkynic
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Buenos Aires Funkcity!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:01 |
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wtf..... were out of the cup... ill post my thoughts about it later on.... bye
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Marina
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:05 |
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| Catman wrote: |
| i bet italy will win tho becoz fifa is italian and corrupted! haha.... |
well after what happened in the last argentinian match i'm not sure who will have the most corrupted support: the fifa or the german team (with the referee)
i'm sorry for all the german ppl here, but that's what i think.. i'm really pissed off today  |
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__Janluka__
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:09 |
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Samiroquai
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: North Somerset and Manchester, both in England
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:13 |
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Ah, Meike... it's more than a game!
| fUnK[iLo] wrote: |
| To my amazement, when Argentina lost I didn't feel as bad as I thought I would. |
Interesting... I felt a lot WORSE than I thought I would! I wouldn't quite say it felt like my own team had lost... but I certainly didn't feel like a neutral. I must be the only Englishman in the country who wasn't delighted.
| fUnK[iLo] wrote: |
| Now that I wonder why I didn't feel very bad I realize that the Argentina players played as if it had been a final, they gave their 100% or more. I think (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) that Argentina played better than Germany all the match, and it really deserved to win (and I'm not saying this because I'm Argentinian). But some things happened that didn't allow our players to score goals, one of them was Abbondanzieri's injury; it forced Pekerman to use one of his 3 changes, and it was lethal to our team, as he is a wonderful goalkeeper, and he is very good at penalties. |
Lehmann's great at penalties, Franco's not... but I've got to say, one thing surprises me - that both you, Flor, and Gonza, have both defended Pekerman. The British press (well, the broadcast media - ITV, who showed it live, and BBC in their highlights package) have laid into him. Over here, they're all saying that it was Pekerman that lost it for you, when he replaced Riquelme with Cambiasso.
I must say, first of all, I rate Cambiasso. He's a quality player. And JRR needed to come off, he was RUBBISH today. But Cambiasso is not a number 10, as that rather large '5' on the back of his shirt betrays. ITV's commentators (who know absolutely nothing about football whatever, and just mention whichever players are most 'fashionable' at the moment) were asking for Messi. I, personally, was screaming for Aimar. When Cambiasso was warming up to be brought on I was thinking 'Lucho[Gonzalez, for the non-Argies] has been a bit quiet, but looked dangerous... Mascherano's been superb as ever... why is he going to bring one of them off?'. When Riquelme came off for him, and Lucho was moved into the middle, you started to lose it. Lucho's a magnificent player, but he's not a 10. The German defence was crying out for Aimar's passes or Lio's runs to put them out of their misery... and Pekerman handed them the initiative.
If it's any consolation, Gonza, Germany should have had a penalty as well (Ayala, who was otherwise brilliant all game, was clearly pulling Ballack's shirt at one of the corners - though since it was a foul on Ballack the ref was right to play on ), and Maxi was already going down before Phillip Lahm touched him, although personally I think he stumbled more than dived (and thus think the ref was wrong to book him).
And after the penalty shootout... oh dear oh dear oh dear... what on earth were they thinking? The TV shots made it look a lot worse than it was, I think (after seeing them replayed again and again it becomes clear that only Cufre and Maxi actually hit anyone), but it's still a horrible image to leave a tournament with.
In four years you'll be stronger. Just think, Messi will be 23, Tevez and Mascherano will be Ronaldinho's age now, you'll have yet more of the conveyer belt of talent who are currently plying their trade in the under-20s teams... dammit, Riquelme and Aimar will only be 31 and 30! And Sergio Aguero will have got out of nappies and maybe started eating solids.
It's probably too much to ask that in four years' time the clubs will be able to hang on to such talent for just a little longer before they bugger off to Europe / Corinthians, but still, the future's bright...
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Samiroquai
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: North Somerset and Manchester, both in England
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:19 |
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| Cesar wrote: |
| There's an article on Brazil's main internet provider today saying that never before has a Number 10 player (which here has God-like status) spent 4 matches without scoring for Brazil. That's precisely what's happening to Ronaldinho and I'd be surprised if, by the end of the tournament, he'd scored a lot. He's playing in a position with which he's not familiar, so it'll take him sometime to get used to it - and it may be too late. |
Well, yeah... he's the greatest #10 since Maradona, and Parreira decides to play him as a midfielder. Thank God England don't have a coach as tactically fucking stupid as that!
Oh, wait. We have.
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Marina
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:30 |
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| Samiroquai wrote: |
| , one thing surprises me - that both you, Flor, and Gonza, have both defended Pekerman. |
Pekerman's a good coach in my opinion, but this time he didn't choose the best team. he could have put Messi for example, or Saviola...
| Samiroquai wrote: |
| , I must say, first of all, I rate Cambiasso. He's a quality player. |
he IS a quality player indeed. it was so sad seeing him crying when he didnt make the penalty... but unfortunately this was his last WC (am I right, right?)
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| , Mascherano's been superb as ever... why is he going to bring one of them off?'. When Riquelme came off for him, and Lucho was moved into the middle, you started to lose it. |
couldnt agree more
| Samiroquai wrote: |
| , In four years you'll be stronger. Just think, Messi will be 23, Tevez and Mascherano will be Ronaldinho's age now, Riquelme and Aimar will only be 31 and 30! |
yeap that's true, but we wont have a lot of good players we had this time (like "el Pato" Abbondanzieri,or Cambiasso,or Crespo,etc..)
ufff I had never talked about football this much! I'm tired now 
p/s: look at this funny pics I found (well the last one is actually true, not funny)
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Samiroquai
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:42 |
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Marina, a few replies, I shan't quote because I can't be bothered!
I agree about Pekerman, I'd love him as England manager any day, it's just a shame his one bad day at the office had to be in the one that really mattered.
I would be VERY surprised if this was Cambiasso's last World Cup, he's only 26 (although he looks about 55 with that hair, I'll grant you).
And only a Boca fan could POSSIBLY say that Abbondanzieri is a good goalkeeper. Although I must admit he improved drastically as the tournament went on... but wouldn't you rather have had Germán Lux facing those penalties at the end? And you'll be fine without the other good players, because you've got more good ones coming to take their place. In four year's time, on the right wing, England won't have David Beckham any more - but if Aarron Lennon keeps improving at his current rate no-one will even remember who Beckham was... and Argentina's MUCH better at producing phenomenal midfielders (and defenders, and strikers) than England!
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Jamirobeto
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 02:03 |
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well.. i was actually happy argentina was eliminated. not because of their ppl or their good players, it was all fox sports and espn fault. they just couldnt stop talking about argentina and mexico, now that they are gone i'll be able to hear the comments in peace.
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CosmicMouse
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This might be a little bit of an offtopic comment from me, but anyways...
I am defenitely the wrong person to discuss about football. That's for sure, because I have never cared about that sport very much and I cannot follow you when you start discussing about the players and referres and so on. So I won't go deep into the facts, the wrong decisions, the player's skills and so on.. just sharing my feelings as an neutral observer of all the intense emotions this worldcup brings along.
It is just a game. At least for us people in the audience. It shouldn't be more. For the players, the people who earn money with this it is much more relevant, but for me and you .... it is just a game. It shouldn't have so much negative effect on us when "our" team has lost or has been treated unfair or whatever.
There are so many other things in the world that are worth to get pissed off. But not a worldcup... really. It's not worth to have so many negative feelings.
This time was the first time I was interested to see some matches because through jamirotalk I know nice people in nearly every country of the teams that were playing. So, no matter which team has won, I was kind of happy because I immediately had someone in my mind of you who was happy about their team winning. On the otherhand, people came to my mind who might be sad, when their team has lost.
So, when I see Austalia playin against Italy I am thinking of Fra and Catman. (and many more.. just to give an example) ... and no matter which team will win, I am having a thought at them and i can be happy for one of them. (or I know who I have to cheer up in the next days...hehe)
For me, it is just a game. And I don't like to see that people start fighting because of this, having negative feelings towards a whole country. Too many people have the tendency to generalize and I don't like that.
The worldcup should bring us different nations more together - that would makes sense to me. But it shouldn't build up hate and bad feelings for other countries - it's not a war!
So... I don't care who will win that cup in the end. It's not important for me. But I know it is for most of you..
I was an outsider on my own b'day party yesterday, wearing that argentinian shirt... but I told them, I have many argentinian friends on my community and I promised to wear an argentinian shirt in the next match... that's it. I guess they still think I am nuts, but I don't care!
I'd love to see some of you, wearing a german shirt next time when Germany is playing against "your" team. I bet nobody would do that...hehe.
Maybe when Italy will play against germany soon, I will go to my local italian restaurant here in my town and celebrate with the italians... if they let me in... ... this worldcup has brought me closer to some of the countries... and that's why I start to like the worldcup somehow...
I will post pics of yesterday soon in the Jamily section!!
Mouse
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__Janluka__
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__Janluka__
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 07:25 |
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haha.. I have to buy an italian shirt for the next match now!! 
Mouse |
..try this..
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FRA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 08:51 |
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Great image Janluka!!!!!
Vespa scooter, italian Flag and Colosseum!!!!
We need a big pizza and Italy s done! 
@Meike: i agree with u, same for me...i'm not really addicted for football, i luv watching it only when Italy plays: this is my patriot soul coming out to support my country!
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mr_moon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:44 |
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Meike you have made an excellent statement with those words. I pretty much feel the same about football. 
Of course i want England to do well and hopefully win (although i know thats probably unlikely)  
In all honesty i quite dislike football apart from when the world cup is on, so i guess i am a bit of a hypocrite
However i luckily got the chance to watch the France vs Spain game whilst i was in France this week. I must applaud the French people i shared my night with in the bar It was such a good night and such a good atmosphere.
So yeah what i guess i am trying to say is that it IS only a game for me anyways. |
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