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Jaminneapolis
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I will say this... whether you guys think Daynamite was over-produced or not, it doesn't sound much different hearing the songs live. I thought there was very little difference in the way the songs sounded from listening to the album and hearing them live.
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:40 |
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thats true jamineapolis, i was thinking the same.
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Gonza-Arg
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 18:29 |
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I'm not saying that I preffer "simple" songs, I'm saying that JMQ never needed to arrange so much an album, to be a good album. Jay said that he loves to use pro tools because that way they can copy the chorus and paste it how many times they want in the part of the song they want, that is being simple. And yesm of course the songs are shorter because of Sony. |
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funkynic
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Buenos Aires Funkcity!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 19:50 |
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yeah well thats the other thing many people talk about live sound and only herd the band on bootleg recordings which even though it can be an A+ sound quality is not the same at all...... the ones who herd the band live and direct know what I mean... Regarding the recording procedures the band takes.... remember they got time schedules and that they spend lots of time in the studio
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Samiroquai
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Location: North Somerset and Manchester, both in England
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 19:53 |
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So then, we could boil all this stuff down to the question:
Is it right or wrong or does it not really matter either way to use the studio as an instrument?
If Pink Floyd were recording Dark Side Of The Moon at Abbey Road TODAY, would the end result sound 'over-produced'? Are the great Holy Trinity of Stevie Wonder albums (Talking Book, Music Of My Mind and Innervisions) 'over-produced'?
Discuss...
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robotscantadlib
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 04:17 |
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That's a good point, Samiroquai. However, modern recording techniques and technologies existed when the first albums were recorded. They just chose not to have everything sound 'clean', I think for the vibe of the record being 70's. They wanted that rare groove vinyl sound. |
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funkynic
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 13:41 |
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Exactaly robotscantadlib!For example check the way parliament sounds and they are olde then the flinstones!!!!
I believe the studio is an instrument that helps the musicians have his record sound as he wants, thats why the choose which studio to record on and not just go to the closest one they have.....
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lydianguy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 02:21 |
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Re: Over Produced
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Hello Jamirotalkers
I was thinking, aren't the last albums very over-produced? I don't mean this is a bad thing necessarily, cause I do like most of it, but wouldn't be great if only the bandmembers play in the recording studio, and that's it? Perhaps adding a string/horn section, and that's it?
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I agree with you that the albums are sounding worryingly over-produced lately. Jamiroquai has unfortunately become a money-making vehicle for record companies (i.e. Sony), and I have a strong suspicion that Jay is probably under pressure from the label to produce something commercially viable.
I like the use of synths and lo-fi electronica when it actually adds texture to the existing songs, but I don't like it when clever plug-ins and digital trickery over-take the importance of the initial musical ideas. I love electronic music, but for me Jamiroquai has always had a strong organic element to it (digeridoos, guitars, keys, live-drums ect).
I think TWM was an almost perfect blend of uptodate production techniques and synth layering, but every track still retained that 'organic' quality I sometimes miss from their more recent studio albums.
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hmmm...do you really think the albums are "over produced" 
i can´t see that... and do you know why...i have seen them live!!!
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I think that's alot to do with clever arranging moreso than them not being 'over-produced'. |
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joeliroquai
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 00:34 |
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I agree that production has gotten a bit over the top. But you still need a little production (they had production on every record, but just to what degree?) to make a album what it is. Honestly, I like the balance they had when they did TWM, in my opinion it was the best of both the raw and "cleaned-up" sound that they have done. I also think the loss of Toby really affected there sound for Dynamite (Its a brilliant record, its just a different Jami that we know). Anyways, like I said, just my opinion! |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 16:25 |
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I've had this feeling that the 'urgency' started to leave when the band wasn't forced to pay for their time in the studio anymore. Like the clock wasn't ticking, the pressure to get something done as quickly was less and there was more time to stuff around with the sound...
I've found that sometimes being under pressure produces the most creative reponses...
This all started (for me anyway) around the time of Deeper Underground and Chillington Studios... and I reckon you can hear it!
Oh, and I spoke to Rob after a concert one time and he insists there were no vocal effects on Jays voice anywhere in Dynamite. (I'm not sure about double tracking or whatever it is tho - maybe that's what we're hearing)
I've also read somewhere Jay talking about how records aren't made like they use to be when he started, or some shit. And while this may be true, I've also heard about other artists (with small bank accounts, but determined minds) who've deliberately searched out older analogue recording equipment to get that warmer sound you just can't find with digital.
I dunno, there's something warm and fuzzy about the 'handcrafted' quality of an anaglogue sound don't you think? It's more natural or something...?
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