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Marina
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
someday wehn i got my own home, i will have my own little garde with natural vegetals, using only water to feed them
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i've been wanting to do that since i was a little girl, seriously.. and someday i will  |
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lilyjammer
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Deesh, regarding the high infection rates in some areas, I think it's also a question of general health standards. It's not an easy topic to find concrete answers to because an awful lot of the research is based on what people *want* to find (on both sides on the debate). Unfortunately a lot of the science is funded by vested interests, which is why we read statements like "can be linked to..." so often! I certainly would never tell anyone not to eat meat - as far as I'm concerned it's a personal choice and just because I've made mine doesn't give me the right to impose it on anyone else.
Iñaki, you are so right about the quality of vegetables we consume - there are so many chemicals and GMOs in most diets it is frightening, especially since we don't know their long term effects.
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:30 |
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| lilyjammer wrote: |
Deesh, regarding the high infection rates in some areas, I think it's also a question of general health standards. It's not an easy topic to find concrete answers to because an awful lot of the research is based on what people *want* to find (on both sides on the debate). Unfortunately a lot of the science is funded by vested interests, which is why we read statements like "can be linked to..." so often! I certainly would never tell anyone not to eat meat - as far as I'm concerned it's a personal choice and just because I've made mine doesn't give me the right to impose it on anyone else.
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funkadelic
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 13:25 |
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I dunno if I'm changing the subject here (sorry if i am  ). But has anyone thought about the conditions of animals (and vegetables  ) in organic farms - they are treated very well.
so for those meat eaters who dont want to feel guilty about what they are eating - go for organic .
And I'm not sure about the hormone injectin thing that some of you were talking about - but i think it is most probably free of this too - so thats great! (I don't have any links or anything but I'm sure I could find some if anyone wants them.)
I would also like to add that i agree about stopping animals being treated appaulingly in farms - but this is not EVERY farm - I have lived on or as part of farms for most of my life and not once have a seen an animal being treated badly. Also disease is very well prevented, although i didn't really get to see much about this process - we learnt about it in primary school which was a very long time ago (also there were neever any diseases except foot and mouth - although i think when those animals were culled it was just a precaution - i cried that day  ). And if i ever helped with the animals they usually got treats...the best grass i could find! . - so yeah... We have to stop the farms that are giving other farms a bad name. Because most farmers really do love their animals.
But I'm not sure how true this is for other parts of the world... I come from devon in england - where our main income is farming and tourism - so we have a reason for farming to be so important.
So please bare this is mind - it isn't ALL farms that treat animals badly. And I think some people (I'm not saying me because I understand totally and agree with what you are saying, although I am not a vegetarian or anything) may find this argument offencive - especially when it is put forward in the media. Because it sheds all farmers in a bad light when it comes to this subject.
however please don't think I worship the ground the farmers walk on. They can be quite selfish, when it comes to wild animals living on their land (i.e, fox, rabit, dear, badger hunting/killing.), but when i used to spend time with them, i did try to see past that when i was with them, and just focus on looking after the animals.
I think it could be quite a good idea, seeing as we all feel so strongly about this, to get the word out about animal cruelty and animal rights. I'm not sure how - so does anyone have any ideas about this? or think this is a good idea?.
Jess
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Goodness me! that was a lot of writing!!
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 19:13 |
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the farms i was talking about are the ones specially dedicated feeding multinationals, normally the "small" farms don't use genetics, chemical or shit like that to grow their animals....
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lilyjammer
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Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you with links Deesh...
Anyway, here's a starter page: http://www.vegsoc.org/health/
Scroll down to the "research" section and they cite a lot of research articles on various meat/health issues. |
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