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Jamiroquanna
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Adoption - a new trend?
First Angelina Jolie and now Madonna. Adoption in the world of stardom seems to be a new trend.
I was reading about this on the bbc news website and wondered about your views on the latest fad which seems to be sweeping across the world of celebrities.
Madonna
Growing up in an Alien Environment
I would like to read your views about this.
Thanks 
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mr.az
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 17:37 |
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well, i have two points of view
-if they want to help childs and they have real mother love for take care of the childrens and all is seriously, i like
-if this becomes a trend(more stars doing this...2 arent so much)and many childs are adopted but after this times they dont take care of the childs, this would be sad.
i wish we stay in the first option 
ps-when u say this is a trend  automatically i remember this lirycs...
''in what world are we livin'in''?
let me tell ya...''
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 17:55 |
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Very interesting topic Anna.
I don't think adoption is a trend, I think pregnancy has become a trend and have been saying that long before Angelie and Madonna.
Stars have always adopted, so I don't really think it is a new fad. Tom and Nicole, Sharon Stone, and many more - also note that Angelie adopted Maddux years ago - so I don't see it as a trend (adoption). Plus, us regular folk are always adopting too, so another reason that I don't see it as a trend.
But pregnancy I think is completely and totally out of hand. TOTALLY! I could go on forever about that, but I won't - it's just an issue that needs to be addressed among women and girls and I don't think it is.
Getting a little personal here - I too hope to adopt in about 10 or so years. I felt that way and have since I was about 11 or so.
It's easier to adopt a child from another country than it is to adopt a child from the United States of America, so that could be why children are being adopted from other countries.
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A lot of celebrities and rich people (not necessarily famous) seem to think of children as accessories... just like a bracelet from Cartier or a chihuahua in a pink Burberry vest... something "cool" to carry around and dress up in fancy designer clothes. Maybe adoption is the latest "fashion"... I dunno. Just like it once was "cool" to have a friend of a different race/religion/background/social status etc. Maybe I'm just a cynic... I dunno. 
Sure, these kids will definitely get a better life... materially speaking. But will they get the love they would get from a biological parent? Will they not suffer from the fame that comes with their new parents? They will lead an artificial life. That combined with the risk of feeling misplaced and constant thoughts about their background/biological parents/culture etc may lead to a destructive lifestyle later in life. They will have access to the money needed to destroy themselves badly for sure.
Yes, I'm a cynic... I see that clearly now when I've read what I just wrote. But it's pretty much how I feel about it. I've seen adopted kids go astray... crime, drugs... even mental problems... and these were kids who came to regular Swedish families during the late 60's/early 70's. Kids who weren't subjects of racism during their childhood (as it didn't really exist here until the late 80's/early 90's). Still they ran into problems, questioning their origin etc. How could they not see that they looked different from their "parents", their friends and pretty much everybody else. Also being adopted can lead to kids being picked on in school. Kids can be really mean you know. Like "Made in Hong Kong, imported to Sweden", "did you come with the banana boat?", "so your real parents didn't want you?", "you're just here because your fake parents weren't fretile enough to get kids of their own", "so the family you live with are rich... how much did they have to pay for you?" etc etc. This doesn't happen to everybody, far from it. But it happens and that's bad enough.
I can't tell if kids being adopted by celebrities will suffer more or less. But having celebrities as parents can probably be hard enough... even if you're a biological child. Perhaps an adopted kid will suffer more if there are biological kids in the picture as well. I mean... problems occur between step-siblings and half-siblings too. I bet it's not easy for an adopted kid with siblings that are biological to one or both parents. There's always the issues with being treated equally and receiving an equal share of love and time.
Oh well... I was just going to write a few words and then it came down to all this. 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 18:05 |
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Jonas,
I think people in general think of children as accessories. Many of the mothers I know shouldn't have been mothers (don't mean to sound or be judgemental...apologies if I come across that way). It was just eh...the thing to do or what they were expected to do - and these people aren't rich, famous or celebrities.
All those things you spoke of I kind of agree with, but that's all children isn't it - not just adoptive children.
And I don't know Angelie Jolie at all, but she seems to keep her children's roots and culture in their lives, and not necessarily by her, but she actually goes and takes her children to the countries to spend time with "their" people, which is more than I can say for many parents that remove their children from their people - never teaching them where they came from, etc.
Plus, kids are picked on anyway for anything. And truthfully, I work with kids and they are actually more respectable of differences than previous generations - which really impresses me.
I think it's easy to point out celebrities, but to keep it real - regular people with regular children, their own children or adoption have the same issues, which to me means that the global issue of reproduction and parenting needs to be addressed - not the issue of "celebrity adoptions." (not against you Anna and this topic, just overall )
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 19:44 |
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This is interesting....Deesh, no offence taken Yes, the global issue on reproduction certainly has to be addressed.
As for the adoption matter, perhaps I should have written "hollywood" adoption I understand and respect all people's views and agree with a lot of things you guys have written here.
In the case of Madonna, she must have her reasons which we know nothing of. Perhaps she has decided to go down the road of Angelina for publicity, or is genuinely concerned about people less fortunate that others. I don't think in her case, it has anything to do with a desire to have a child, as she has 2 of her own. However, she certainly has the money to support another child. But this is what I mean...why take the child out of it's own environment and away from it's parents?
Madonna has enough money to adopt a child and leave it in his country. I also adopt a child, a little 6 year old who lives in South America through Children International. The fees cover schooling and clean amenities. If I could, I would certainly not bring him to live with me because it is better here. That would leave him distraught. Parents in under-developed countries think that it would be better for the child if they had parents who could support them. They probably surrender to the fact that they could never give the child the life it deserves. Surely it would be better to support that child financially, within his/her own environment, than to take it out, scare it to half to death and leave it wondering where his/her roots are and why their families didn't fight to keep them? Of course, this applies to certain cases - not all cases are like this, where adoption is very good for the child.
Deesh, I understand that the adoption process is easier in other countries, but we seem to be forgetting about cultures. I believe that is where the difficulties lie. As in the link I sent "an alien environment" .
I don't think that adoption is wrong, but in some cases it needs to be looked at seriously and not as a game. And in the celebrity world in particular.
That's my essay
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 20:39 |
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I agree with much that you have said Anna - but I would like to add if Madonna weren't in the public and adopting - would it even be a question of her motive?
I can only speak for people in the USA, but adoption is pretty high here, and many children are from other countries, but also many parents remember those cultures and those traditions and teach their children about their native land. Some don't - and that is sad to me.
And, although Angelina has babies from different countries, I'd also like to note that she supports and has built schools and homes, given clothes to and supported other children where her children are from.
Speaking of alien environments - that article can apply to many people that are picked up from their natural habitat and put in a setting that is unfamiliar and not reflective of where they came from. Matter of fact, it happened to many of us and our ancestors. I'm drifting....sorry
I understand what you are saying, but I just think that them being in the public eye gives reason for people to speculate and talk, when us that aren't in the public eye are doing the same thing.
I agree with your last line - and I don't think it's wrong either obviously, but I think reproduction and raising of children needs to be looked at seriously and not as a game. We are on the same tree, just different branches .
Where is Heather? I know she'll have some good insight on this also.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 20:57 |
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I got many different thoughts about that…it would be too long too go into detail of each. Here is some brainstorming:
First it is for a parentless child always the best to find a new home. But it is not always good to change culture and countries too much. No money and love can help from feeling of being lost in a new and other surrounding.
Donation to children to support their life and school in their natural living is a very good thing, and I do this too. But it is not the same as giving someone a new home.
“Trading” children is a big black market, especially from foreign countries. I don’t want to support this in any way. Surely the rich and prominent will get their children through official adopting channels, but many people just buy a poor one out of their countries. Nobody really cares or knows, why it was given free for adoption, if the parents still live etc. That is criminal and the profit goes not for the kids but only for some damn “dealers”. 
Adopting kids by rich people, if prominent or not, often goes hand in hand with “not loosing shape” through normal pregnancy  . That is the “tip of the ice hill” of this world of “fit, slim and always lookin like 20” people. Disgusting!
Adoption is anyway mostly a matter only of people with a good amount of money. Because most adoption regularities watch out for that and the non regular sources ask for lots of money. But having money is no guarantee to be a good mother or father!
The society, especially in Germany, cares a lot about the conditions of a family for being “perfect”, when it comes to adoption. But nobody cares, if a 13 years old gets pregnant, if a family with lots of children lives on really poor money. We have a new poverty with many families with no jobs for parents and children coming in winter only in shirts into school, cause there is no winter jacket. Many “normal”, not adopted children get no breakfast before school, nobody cares if they are washed and what they do in the afternoon after school. The “welfare is poorly caring about “problematic” families. We just had a real bad example of this in town recently. A poor 2 year old boy died. The family was known as drug abused. The mum died recently. The child was left with the dad, being on drugs himself. The social worker found three months no time to visit the family. When they finally decided to visit, the junked father just told “he is dead, look into the refrigerator”. That’s how they found the poor kid. May be a drastic example. But I think, we just have to care more about the “normal “ kids in normal life, than the media presented adopted kids of famous people 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 21:12 |
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| we just have to care more about the “normal “ kids in normal life, than the media presented adopted kids of famous people |
totally agree with you
and about that, here in argentina and many countries around the world there's many childresn who deserve best care
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 19:29 |
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Monisum - I only skimmed what you wrote, but I basically agree.
One thing I will say is that I don't like how rules are bent for celebrity adoptions - I think they should have to go through the grueling process step by step like everyone else.
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