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| What do you think about Saddam Hussein's execution? |
| Finally we're rid of this bastard! |
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| Death penalty is inhumane! |
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| If they hanged Saddam, they should've hanged Bush sr, Bush jr and a lot of other politicians too! |
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ObiWanFunky
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Horrible, both killed a lot of people (saddam and bush) /but anyway i dont think that death penalty is a good way to make justice.
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Deja
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 09:43 |
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Hey Deja, when I meant 'this mess,' I meant the war. I made no allusions to anything else.  |
sisisisi! I knew it but still believe it did not all started by Bin Laden
the rest was just a point of view 
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Cheeba vibe
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 13:20 |
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..strange times, strange times...
An extraordinary assassin like Saddam is going now to be sanctified, someone is putting Bush and Hitler on the same level (I agree that Bush is very stupid but...ehm, please learn history better...)...it's a new fashion to want the same rights of a wife and an husband but...the "new couples" don't want to own the same duties (call me a stupid if I've signed a wedding "contract")...who's cristian now is discriminated 'cause we HAVE to tollerate islam and friends (obviously, Islam is free to make what it wants in all the countries of the world...)...here in Italy we have a transgender in the Parliament: eterosexuals like me are evidently going out of style....
someone's sang "what a wonderful world it will be"....... |
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 13:26 |
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of course is at the same fucking level.
i don't understand well your later post about christianity, islam, heterosexuality and all...but anyway...
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deesh
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 15:13 |
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Not to be ill, but I could really care less.
There are kids being executed in my city and my neighborhood that need help (400 senseless murders of innocent people in Philadelphia for 2006), so that is where my mind and my heart is...not with an a**hole like Saddam.
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Cheeba vibe
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 16:06 |
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...jamirokaki, maybe my english doesn't explain my ideas but...in simple words, the world is going upside down. The values in which I believed seem became things to fight or to doubt. That's why I find a little strange that people affect themselves for the dead of a tyrant....the other things to which I refer often make part of a world that is doubting of all, without any reason… |
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Deja
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 22:54 |
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Yes the world is going mad cheeba, but then what? shuld we say ..oh we are against death penalty but hey this was a tyrant?? is like that?? so do we have door that we open and close so that we can regulate things in which we believe ??
and what does Vladimir Luxuria metter in this? he is transgender then what? why do you care? why don't you go then to all the other ppl sitting there and ask them which is theire sexual attitude?? this is the important thing? not what thay think and how they act? this is how is a correct world? eterosexual is good so can sit in the parlment and transgender is bad so should be on the corner of the street?
I really don't get it!
And yes to me Bush is on the same level of Saddam...maybe I didn't study story so well but I know what my heart feel, and it will feel it even without knowing that the ppl he's attacking now are the ppl who went hands in hands with him and his family x decades!
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jamirokaki
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 23:04 |
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something like that is what i wanted to say vere...but i wans't sure of cheeba's words so i didn't say nothing......
btw to all of you...please write heterosexual with H
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Deja
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 00:46 |
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eheheheh...sorry but I must admit that when I don't know how to write a word instead of opening babelfish translator I ofetn look as how other ppl write it 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 09:28 |
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Wow, I started this thread to discuss the hanging of Saddam Hussein and now people are talking about heterosexuality and transsexuality. This is weird.
Someone said Bush jr might be happy now because Hussein wanted to kill his daddy. This isn't perfectly true. Before the 1st Gulf war Bush sr and Hussein were business partners. Don't forget it was the western world (and especially the US) that pushed people like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden to become as threatening, by giving them war material.
Saddam Hussein to combat the "evil" Iranians, Bin Laden to combat the "evil" Soviets.
By the way the technology of the chemical war material Saddam Hussein used on the Kurds came from the west.
Finally, I think it's the US are the biggest problem in our world. Yes, yes, yes, they liberated us from the nazis 60 years ago, we'll always be thankful. But, the US have killed Salvador Allende, the legally voted president of Chile, to install a tyrant like Augusto Pinochet. The US have invaded a country that legally voted communist, hence the Vietnam. (even if the French have started the mess in that country). As I already said, the US have pushed psychopaths like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. And there a lot of other cases where the US have messed in foreign politics, just read your History books or, if they are censored, read Michael Moore's books or watch his films and you'll see.
I'm even pretty sure it's the US who gave Israel the technology to build the A-Bomb. Everybody's showing with his finger on North Korea, but Israel, nobody really cares. If the ultra-conservatives and ultra-orthodox get the power in Israel I'm pretty sure the Arab world will be blewn up to dust.
Don't think now I want to say the US are responsible for all the mess in the world. Old empires like the British and the French are responsible for the mess in Africa, countries like North Korea or Iran aren't really a warrant for peace and countries like Russia aren't really defenders for free speech and free press.
My point is that I'm sick the US want to play the world's policemen and tell us (especially Europeans) the difference between good and evil after the bad things they did aswell.
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mr.az
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 22:25 |
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If they hanged Saddam, they should've hanged Bush sr, Bush jr and a lot of other politicians too!
totally agree
there's so many polticians that must die, bush, cheney, some politicians in the uk, in latin america...we're gonna kill alot of politicians after saddam lol 
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Little H - KSA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 22:48 |
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But a small part of me also believes that for the first time in a while, Bush got what he wanted: revenge on the man that tried to kill his daddy 15 or so years ago. I can't get over this hunch, that Iraq wasn't so much to spread democracy as it is to spill Saddam's blood.
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Bush Snr. & Jnr. are merely pawns in a bigger game.
There is also an economic agenda going on here in the Middle East. SH was an excuse and used timely. Nobody cares about the blood shed and the politics in Iraq or anywhere else in the Middle East. If they did would Palestine have been raped and pillaged for the last 60 years ???
It's so complicated it makes my head spin, it's also a case of the chicken and the egg.
We know that 'they didn't kill the wrong man', although I have heard rumours that it was one of SH's doubles that was executed in his place. But no ringer would have taken it as nobly as the 'ole maestro himself.
I have to admire SH the way he took the sentencing and how he responded to the abominable behaviour seconds before his death. No fear, no remorse, PLEASE GOD may SH rot in hell forever.
I wish that the death sentence could have been spared, at least for SH's conscience to punish him, and that is a far more painful and wasting punishment . . . but would it ???
The 'what if's' go on and on . . . like what if SH had cheated justice and punishment by 'opting out' like the Nazi that remained imprisoned for over 45 years and then committed suicide. (Let me look up his name H something, and the name of the prison - Spandau ??? Shamefully how can I forget !!!).
For me a small portion of SH's justice was served. He should not have been ridiculed and taunted, the fools who did it, and the fools who allowed it to be done gave a final glorification of the SH character to his followers who now have a legitimate reason to make a martyr out of him.
But was there a reason for this to happen, and a reason why the camera phone video was leaked . . . of course - to pit Sunni against Shiia', and so SH's execution has now hurtled Iraq into full blown civil war. The consequential instability keeps the rest of the Middle East nervous and eating out of the US's hands, my country of residence being one of them.
And Saudi Arabia was just as guilty as the US and British governments for letting and funding and helping SH all those years. And we suffered some as the result of the first Gulf War's warfare, economic, refugee and disease fall out.
In war no-one wins, and in capital punishment there is no justice. But wars are forced and capital punishment is closer to justice.
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Little H - KSA
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something like that is what i wanted to say vere...but i wans't sure of cheeba's words so i didn't say nothing......
btw to all of you...please write heterosexual with H :wink: |
R O F L M P A O !!!
Thanks Jamirokaki, policing for the better worth of the letter H !!!
How could anyone forget the 'HAYTCH' in hETROSEXUAL.
I mean those haytches just go hand in hand, key in lock etc., etc., etc.
Your's intruiged,
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Little H - KSA
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| Cheeba vibe wrote: |
..strange times, strange times...
An extraordinary assassin like Saddam is going now to be sanctified, someone is putting Bush and Hitler on the same level (I agree that Bush is very stupid but...ehm, please learn history better...)...it's a new fashion to want the same rights of a wife and an husband but...the "new couples" don't want to own the same duties (call me a stupid if I've signed a wedding "contract")...who's cristian now is discriminated 'cause we HAVE to tollerate islam and friends (obviously, Islam is free to make what it wants in all the countries of the world...)...here in Italy we have a transgender in the Parliament: eterosexuals like me are evidently going out of style....
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On the head CV !!!
My mother makes me laugh with stories that children in British schools aren't allowed to say the word Christmas, and have to eat halal chicken - not turkey, for their 'Happy Holidays' lunch at school.
I'm Muslim BTW, and I can't tolerate stupidity. I can tolerate Jews and Christians and anybody else's religion, for me there is always room for discussion and improvement, and I can agree to disagree. But never force my opinion on other people's.
Contrary to my religion, I do support gay marriage. I struggle with this because I cannot condemn people who wish to celebrate and preserve love. There are a lot of 'baddies' out there who need everybodies' attention more than gay couples looking for a romantic legitimizing of their love.
I can't see why a transgender person can't have a normal job like anyone else ??? To me, entering a marriage contract has it's positive qualities. And holding down a job and working any legal, legitimate job is a positive thing too, on any scale - roadsweeper to president.
We must see people regardless of what they are, for what they do. Let the best shine, and if people are 'different' from the majority that should not confine them, nor define them, but we should refine ourselves to accept everyone for their individual finess.
C'mon, it's like my personal philosopher (I love you !!!) says: 'What is normal ??? Who decides what is normal and why ???' How we label things will never change them or make them 'go away'.
I have a bit of trouble trying to understand pedophiles, I have some sympathy that the majority of them that do not want to commit a crime against children, and I don't mean stealing their sweet money.
One of Bush's worst mistake here, was excuting SH on the Day of the Festival of Sacrifice (post pilgrimage). If only they could have waited another 20 hours. He was executed at the time Eid (celebratory) prayers were starting to be called in Makkah - FCOL !!!
This was a real slap in the face of the Muslim world. I'm surprised that there was not a greater reaction. The shock at the cheek of executing SH on this holiest day in the Muslim calendar and on the day associated with Abraham's slaughtering of a ram instead of his son Isaac.
This is a poor comparison, but the choice of timing for SH's execution would be like slaughtering a Christian on Good Friday. I do not mean to anatagonize any of my Christian friends, I merely want to help you understand how much of an afront this is to Muslims. But I will iterate that SH's execution timing was not a mishap or mistake, it was deliberate.
I know people working for the American's in the trial of SH. They would not have let the courts execute on the Day of Sacrifice (Eid Al-Adha)without kicking up a huge stink, their warnings did not go unheard, but unheeded.
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Little H - KSA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 23:42 |
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| jamirokaki wrote: |
i don't understand well your later post about christianity, islam, heterosexuality and all...but anyway... |
Yeah, I got a bit confused there, but CV helped me point out a few things that I wasn't going to talk about in detail.
Bear with me people, thanks.
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